Who will survive A Song of Ice and Fire? [spoilers]

Post by **I'm Murrin** » Thu Sep 02, 2004 1:11 pm

We need a new one. Two writers like this is not enough. I've seen some good comments about Erickson. How is he?

Erikson is good, but a completely different style to Donaldson and Martin - not as dark (though some dark parts) and a lot of humour. Great imagery, though. Not really a substitute for Donaldson's work. Bakker is similar to Erikson, but darker and without the humour.

Post by **Roland of Gilead** » Thu Sep 02, 2004 7:28 pm

I'm new to Erikson (reading Gardens of the Moon right now), so can't speak to the entire series . . . but I'm certainly not finding a lot of hjmor in this novel.

Does that come in later novels . . . or is Erikson's humor doing a "by-pass" on me?

Post by **I'm Murrin** » Fri Sep 03, 2004 8:51 am

I suppose it doesn't start really until Deadhouse Gates, with three characters in particular - GotM is a little different to the others, it was written a long time before the rest. There is some, however - when Paran arrives in Pale and meets the Bridgeburners for the first time, or in some of the exchanges between Lorn and Tool. Oh, and Kruppe.

Post by **Lord Mhoram** » Fri Sep 03, 2004 3:26 pm

I found Kruppe hilarious.

Post by **Roland of Gilead** » Fri Sep 03, 2004 7:06 pm

Okay, I will agree that Kruppe is sort of amusing. Although that habit of referring to himself in the third person reminds me of this character named Bob on the tv show Becker, and the comparison is distracting.

Plus I'm sick of trying to figure out just why Kruppe is so powerful. Erikson's tendency to never explain a character's background can get annoying.

Post by **Lord Mhoram** » Fri Sep 03, 2004 9:41 pm

You haven't finished right? The source(s) of his power is revealed in the novel.

Post by **variol son** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 1:07 am

Is Beric Dondarrion Azor Ahai?

Sum sui generis
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Post by **Myste** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 1:32 pm

variol son wrote: Is Beric Dondarrion Azor Ahai?

That is something I've been trying to figure out, too. I have to say, all of his resurrections--

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and Catelyn's, too, at the end of SOS

--have got me really creeped out. Mostly creeped out by the latter, though.

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Will having gone mad before she died affect what she does as a resurrected person?

Post by **Dragonlily** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 1:41 pm

Any chance we could move the Erickson part of this thread to an Erickson thread and get back to Martin? Mods?

Post by **Lord Mhoram** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 8:51 pm

It's not really a big deal. We're on the Watch, remember? People get off topic all the time.

Anyway, a variety of people could be Azor Azzhai. Including Lord Dondarrion, etc. The Prince Who was Promised is another figure that we don't know the actual identity of. Could be Jon; could be Aegon Targareyn who's actual death Martin has never actually confirmed. Some think that AA and the PWwP are one in the same.

Post by **variol son** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 8:51 pm

Ok, question regarding Meera Reed's story of the Knight of the Laughing Tree.

I am guessing that the Knight himself is Howland Reed, the she-wolf is Lyanna Stark, and the wild wolr, the quiet wolf and the wolf pup are Brandon Stark, Eddard Stark and Benjen Stark respectively. The Storm Lord sounds very much like Robert Baratheon, but who is the Knight of Skulls and Kisses? What about the lady with the laughing purplr eyes? Is this Ashara Dayne?

Also, if you know who the White Sword or the Red Snake orthe Lord of Griffins or the Porcupine Knight or the Pitchfork Knight are, please tell me.

Sum sui generis
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Post by **variol son** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 8:53 pm

Lord Mhoram wrote:It's not really a big deal. We're on the Watch, remember? People get off topic all the time.

Anyway, a variety of people could be Azor Azzhai. Including Lord Dondarrion, etc. The Prince Who was Promised is another figure that we don't know the actual identity of. Could be Jon; could be Aegon Targareyn who's actual death Martin has never actually confirmed. Some think that AA and the PWwP are one in the same.

The Prince who was Prmoised? If I have only read up to the end of A Storm of Swords: Steel and Snow, should I know who he is?

I am also assuming that you are speaking of Rhaegar Targaryen and Elia Martell's son?

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Post by **Lord Mhoram** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 8:55 pm

The Lord of Griffins is Jon Connington: one of Aerys' Hands and a close friend of Prince Rhaegar. He was exiled and it is believed that he is still alive somewhere in the Free Cities or that area. Also, I believe that a pretty widely accepted theory is the Knight of hte Laughing Tree is actually Lyanna, yes?

edit: LOL we must stop posting at the same time!

Yes Aegon is one of Rhaegar's children: it was said that Ser Gregor smashed his head in, but wehn asked directly what the fate was of Rheagar's children, excluding Dany and Viserys, Martin would only confirm that the daughter who's name escapes me was killed. The Prince Who Was Promised is one of hte prophecies that Rhaegar speaks of in Dany's own visions in the House of hte Undying; perhaps you have not read that far.

Post by **variol son** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 9:03 pm

Lord Mhoram wrote:The Lord of Griffins is Jon Connington: one of Aerys' Hands and a close friend of Prince Rhaegar. He was exiled and it is believed that he is still alive somewhere in the Free Cities or that area. Also, I believe that a pretty widely accepted theory is the Knight of hte Laughing Tree is actually Lyanna, yes?
edit: LOL we must stop posting at the same time! Yes Aegon is one of Rhaegar's children: it was said that Ser Gregor smashed his head in, but wehn asked directly what the fate was of Rheagar's children, excluding Dany and Viserys, Martin would only confirm that the daughter who's name escapes me was killed. The Prince Who Was Promised is one of hte prophecies that Rhaegar speaks of in Dany's own visions in the House of hte Undying; perhaps you have not read that far.

Hehe, it would be wise.

I have read The House of the Undying, but I need to reread it.

And Lyanna Stark being the Knight of the Laughing Tree? Kewl.

But who is the lady with the laughing purple eyes that the quiet wolf obviously has a crush on.

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Post by **Lord Mhoram** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 9:04 pm

That would be Ashara Dayne, sister to Ser Arthur, the Sword of the Morning

Post by **duchess of malfi** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 9:49 pm

The Red Snake is probably Oberon Martell, known as the Red Viper. He shows up in ASOS and is an absolutely kickass character.

A lot of people think that AA is Dany. She has fulfilled many of the prophecies...they think the flaming sword is her dragons.

www.angelfire.com/ma4/mlarchives/faq/azorahai.html

Website · Post by **Khaliban** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 11:15 pm

If AA is the Prince who was Promised, then it's Jon.

Post by **duchess of malfi** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 11:20 pm

We don't know yet if they are the same, or two different people.

But it is a lot of fun speculating, isn't it?

Post by **variol son** » Fri Sep 17, 2004 12:45 am

Lord Mhoram wrote:That would be Ashara Dayne, sister to Ser Arthur, the Sword of the Morning

Ah. I thought so.

Thanks duchess. Not many identities left now. It's the Knight of Skulls and Kisses who now interests me the most.

And I will have to respectfully disagree Khaliban. Jon may well be the Prince who was Promised, but I really don't think he is Azor Ahai as well.

If they are the same person, it won't be Jon I don't think, but I personally believe that they will be two different people. If what Rhaegar found in the library that day that convinced him he must be a warrior, then I would think it would be a separate prophecy. Imho of course.

And I don't think Melisandre is mistaken about Stannis. I think that she is deliberately misleading him for some reason.

Sum sui generis
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Post by **Dragonlily** » Fri Sep 17, 2004 1:55 am

Ser Gregor, Dunsen, Polliver, Raff the Sweetling. The Tickler and the Hound. Ser Ilyn, Ser Meryn, King Joffrey, Queen Cersei. Valar morghulis.

VS, that's a very sinister tag line!!

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Who will survive A Song of Ice and Fire? [spoilers]