"beware the halfhand"

Post by **burgs** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 6:02 pm

That's the most plausible TC/Foul annealment theory I've heard, but I still find it unlikely, especially given the fact that both TC and Foul occupied Anele seperate from each other.

Fri Nov 05, 2004 8:49 pm

True, but it's not like SRD has given us much on which to build such theories at this stage.

Post by **burgs** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 9:20 pm

Which is, undoubtedly, exactly as he wants it.

Post by **caamora** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 11:32 pm

Well folks, remember that Linden is seeing Covenant from a distance. It could very easily be Roger that she sees. I highly doubt that it would be TC. That would seem almost anti-climactic (sp?) to see TC so soon into the story. I would think that SRD would want to build up to seeing TC. Anyway, it very could be TC that is the half-hand that she is to beware of.

Post by **burgs** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 11:37 pm

I doubt it's Roger. When they first met, she acknowledged (mentally) that there was a resemblance, but that Roger didn't possess certain physical qualities that TC did (I'm too lazy to get up and quote from the book - it's in the first chapter).

Plus...SRD doesn't strike me as writing a sentence like that and then turning on it. It's definitely the visage of Covenant that she sees, there's no question in my mind about that. Now, is he warped or somehow altered? That's another question.

Post by **ur-bane** » Sat Nov 06, 2004 1:35 pm

I give you the very last sentence in RotE:
"The other stranger was unmistakably Thomas Covenant."

I doubt SRD would write that were it not true.
It's just a matter of from what time period is this Covenant.

Sat Nov 06, 2004 3:25 pm

ur-bane wrote:I give you the very last sentence in RotE:
"The other stranger was unmistakably Thomas Covenant."

I doubt SRD would write that were it not true.
It's just a matter of from what time period is this Covenant.

OMG, I never thought of that. When is this TC from? Oh man this could fubar things quite considerably...

Post by **burgs** » Sat Nov 06, 2004 4:09 pm

If the Thomas Covenant she sees is from a different time, then Jeremiah should be too, just to keep some continuity in the logic flow. If they're from different times, then I can't imagine when this TC is from. He can't possibly be from a time prior to his entering the Land in the first chrons, as that invalidates the entire series. Same goes for anytime within the first and second chrons, unless SRD pulls him out of one of TC's unconscious or catatonic moments (Morinmoss, what the Elohim did to him), but that still reeks of unfairness, and I don't think SRD would do something like that.

Post by **tallan** » Sat Nov 06, 2004 8:29 pm

And, um, if Jeremiah's from a different time period, shouldn't he be (and look).. younger? Linden would probably notice such a thing, IMO.

Post by **Gart** » Sat Nov 06, 2004 10:49 pm

Also, if it were TC from a different time, he'd have his white gold ring...unless he was snatched from the few moments someone else held it (moments only in all three first Chrons). I can't help but think that having the same white gold ring at the same time and place twice would be asking for trouble.

Sun Nov 07, 2004 11:02 am

Gart, I think that's what's called a temporal paradox (tries to recall Back to the Future...)

Post by **ur-bane** » Sun Nov 07, 2004 11:48 am

There really are only two explanations for Covenant's appearance, since he died at the end of WGW.
One is that he has been brought from a different time.
The second is that he has been brought back because the Law of Life has been broken.

Nothing else that I can think of would fit.

Post by **burgs** » Sun Nov 07, 2004 10:06 pm

As I noted above, I can't imagine what time this TC would have been pulled from. It would completely destroy the integrity of the other two series, and that's not something SRD is likely to do.

Mon Nov 08, 2004 12:00 am

I don't think this TC is from another time. There are, to my mind, 2 possible explanations.

1) This is the real TC resurrected somehow, which given the number of laws (time, life, death) that have been broken, wouldn't surprise me.

2) This is some kind of trick of Foul's, or it's an Elohim (remember they can take on any form they like).

What interests me is, why would TC keep telling Linden to find him when he was quite capable of coming to find her? Did he just get bored waiting for her? I don't think so...

Post by **burgs** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 4:59 am

It's not going to be what we think it will be - "Remember, I'm dead".

Post by **ur-bane** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 11:47 am

burgs66 wrote:As I noted above, I can't imagine what time this TC would have been pulled from. It would completely destroy the integrity of the other two series, and that's not something SRD is likely to do.

The more I think on what you are saying, the more I agree.
Unless this TC is from a time before his first known summons to the Land, before the onset of his leprosy, when he was still a naive author. But that might be even worse than taking him from one of his "comas".

I do find it more likely that he has been cursed by the Law of Life being broken.
But even so, how does that figure into the fact that in WGW he "placed himself between Foul and the Arch." Is he now no longer protecting the Arch? Has he sold himself back into Life to save Joan, again?

But I have the utmost confidence in SRD and his ability to come up with a plausable explanation. I am looking forward to Fatal Revenant.

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"beware the halfhand"