My Command would be...

Post by **Fist and Faith** » Thu Aug 07, 2003 4:41 pm

mmmmmmmm...

I just can't go along with that. I have to believe that Mhoram and the other Lords would have sensed insanity during their melds. Even if your theory about the Ranyhn being manipulative is not true, you're right that her hatred of Foul and fascination with Kevin probably came from her connection to them. And I'm sure they all knew of her belief that Kevin would be hugely powerful because of there being "immeasurable strength in the consummation of despair." But, since they never could have imagined she'd ever get the ability to test this theory, they didn't have reason to worry about it. "Yeah, she thinks a bit too highly of his capabilities, but it doesn't actually hurt anything." Whatever qualities they saw in her that made them choose her to be High Lord were obviously more important, in their eyes, than the arrogance and rashness that they must have sensed through the meld. But I can't believe they would have considered those qualities more important than insanity.

And remember, the Lords knew that Mhoram was holding back in TPTP, but there was never any mention of Elena doing so.

Post by **variol son** » Thu Aug 07, 2003 4:45 pm

well, maybe not insanity....

sum sui generis

Post by **Dromond** » Fri Aug 29, 2003 11:31 am

variol son wrote:well, maybe not insanity....

But close. "She was flawed from birth" What, physically?
I always felt she was given the title 'High lord' because she was TC's daughter. A mistake that the Land would pay for. Dearly.

Post by **Fist and Faith** » Fri Aug 29, 2003 11:39 am

I got the impression that, physically, she was far from flawed!

But yeah, maybe, as someone else suggested back there somewhere, it was just because of who her father was. Though I can't imagine Mhoram going along with that. I'm running in circles in my mind over how their meld allowed such a thing. But we just don't know enough about it.

Post by **Dromond** » Fri Aug 29, 2003 11:49 am

Fist and Faith wrote:I got the impression that, physically, she was far from flawed!

Oh, boy. I can't resist! 'girlsofthelandgonewild'

girlsonthecelebrationofspringbreak

Post by **Fist and Faith** » Fri Aug 29, 2003 11:58 am

Post by **Reisheiruhime** » Fri Aug 29, 2003 12:08 pm

*whispers to Griffin Black and Anne Lupin* "What do you think he's talking about?"

Griffin: "Dunno, maybe Dad'd know."
Anne: "Oh, he would. Have you seen all those Muggle "dvd" things he had under his bed?"
Griffin: "What about your Dad?"
Anne: "Nope, Mom'd know that. Remember, MY Dad keeps books under his bed."
Griffin: "Oh, yeah. And he keeps a boggart in his wardrobe. Your dad is weird."
Anne: "Yeah, and he goes all freaky at the full moon. Maybe we should Stitchify him...."

Me: "Think, do you really want something like that running around the house?"

So, eh, what are you talking about? If it's what Anne mentioned, then don't say anything.

Post by **Fist and Faith** » Mon Oct 13, 2003 5:44 pm

A couple pages back in this thread, I was trying to come up with ideas that might give one reason to pause before uttering a specific Command. So let's move Forestal's idea to here:

Forestal wrote:""i command the earth to stand up and fight against foul..."

thats a pretty good command for 2 minutes thought...

or "i command the earth to swallow foul's army"

The second, and likely the first, might have broken the Law that makes earthquakes happen only on faultlines. So now Foul has the Earth swallow Revelstone, Andelain, Garroting Deep, etc, etc.

Post by **aTOMiC** » Mon Oct 13, 2003 6:04 pm

I command a squadron of fully loaded f-15s to be summoned to Foul's Creche and turn it into a smoking crater. How bout that?

Post by **Ylva Kresh** » Mon Oct 13, 2003 6:08 pm

I suppose all commands might backfire upon the one uttering it. And the earth - does it not allready fight Foul with all its might (and have done so since Berek asked for help)?

Post by **Fist and Faith** » Mon Oct 13, 2003 7:41 pm

Ylva, that's an incredible way of looking at it!!! Well done!!

clearfrontier wrote:I command a squadron of fully loaded f-15s to be summoned to Foul's Creche and turn it into a smoking crater. How bout that?

And now that you've opened the door to such things, Foul summons a few thermonuclear weapons!!

Hey, if I can come up with these nasty consequences in seconds of reading the posts, you know Foul can too.

Post by **Forestal** » Mon Oct 13, 2003 8:06 pm

yeah but foul cant get outside the arch...

unless that command would break the law of the arch or something likethat... and then foul could escape neway.

besides, foul wouldn't know what a thermonuclear weapon was.

Post by **Fist and Faith** » Mon Oct 13, 2003 8:21 pm

Well how 'bout that? You get to break Laws, but Foul doesn't get to take advantage of it! It's a shame that wasn't the case when Elena broke the Law of Death.

And anyway, Foul managed to get outside the Arch enough to summon Covenant. And while he was there, are you sure he didn't learn about thermonuclear weapons from the minds of his agents?

The point is, we can come up with horrible consequences quite easily, whether it's Foul taking advantage of something or some natural consequence (as Amok's example with the Illearth Stone). But since we can't know if it would happen or not, I wouldn't take the chance.

Post by **Forestal** » Mon Oct 13, 2003 8:25 pm

thats a point... foul did get outside the arch to summon covenant... how the hell did he wangle that one?

Post by **Furls Fire** » Mon Oct 13, 2003 8:52 pm

When did Foul get outside the Arch? Do you mean the bonfire? He couldn't have gotten outside of Arch, if he had, it would have been broken and he would have escaped, and the Land destroyed. He didn't "summon" Covenant anyway. Covenant surrendered to him, to save Joan.

If you had to be outside the Arch to summon Covenant, then all those who summoned him before, Drool, Elena, Mhoram, Foamfollower and Triock would have had to gotten outside of it too.

The Arch isn't a barrier between the worlds or realities. If it was, it would have shattered when Covenant was first summoned to the Land.

Post by **Forestal** » Mon Oct 13, 2003 9:46 pm

yeah but how did those things get outside to make the bonfire?

Post by **Furls Fire** » Mon Oct 13, 2003 10:01 pm

Foul didn't make that bonfire, the people in the cult made it. Foul just..hmmm.."projected" (for lack of a better word) his image into it. Foul was an entity, he didn't have a physical form so he could transpose his presence into things like fire, or possess people, like he did Joan, or put people in a trance, like those in the cult who thrust their arms into that bonfire.

Like I said, I don't think the Arch is a barrier between the Land's reality and the "Real World's" reality.

Post by **Forestal** » Mon Oct 13, 2003 10:03 pm

fair enuff...

Post by **Landwaster** » Mon Oct 13, 2003 11:37 pm

Foul no more made it into the real world (sacrificial fire, Joan's possession), than did the Creator make it into the Land (speaking to TC as he rose above Glimmermere at end of 1st Chrons).

All they did was projected themselves for purposes of communication, sort of like these newfangled mobile phones.

Post by **Seafoam Understone** » Tue Oct 14, 2003 1:47 am

I would've commanded that Foul be turned into a widdle bunny wabbit and be placed in a the middle of a hungry pack of Kresh! Lets see him get his butt outta THAT one!

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