Kevin's Watch

TheWormoftheWorld'sEnd wrote:

Jeff wrote:

dlbpharmd wrote:OK wait, I'm wrong on this. It wasn't after Trell's desolation, it was after Covenant refused Mhoram's summons. When Covenant disappeared and Mhoram turned back toward the Council, he noticed the krill had been shining white, and when he tried to withdraw it, the gem turned blue for an instant.

Or I could still be wrong. Tell you what, I'll look it up tonight.

I'm pretty sure your right...for some reason it's in my head that, at the time I thought the blue was the gem's recognition of Mhoram's power (didn't Mhoram's power express blue from his staff? I'm to bound up in the current chron's to remember/go back)

Blue is a peaceful color, it represents the oath of peace. Doctors and dentists often wear blue garb because of its capacity for calming their patients. SRD, given his background, would know this, and that's why he chose blue as the New Lord's color.

Well, then partial hurrah for me. The timing/incidents may be screwed up, but the blue was at least right, and a recognition by the gem of the power.

There's another question. What does the gem actually "recognize"? My reading indicates that it, like other avatars of magic including white gold, "recognizes" passion. Or rather, it is aroused by passion.

The passion required to bring the gem to life was buried (repressed) by the oath of peace like a shot of novacaine deadening sensation. Rather than expressing their passion constructively (rather than the destructive passion used to create the RoD, which is a false alternative), the New Lords mistakenly chose repression. They weren't terribly bright Lords.

noice.

jacob Raver, sinTempter wrote:noice.

Noice of you to say so.

And isn't passion the entire issue (or one of the major issues) of real life as well as the Land? Passion is required to achieve anything spectacular (even coldly logical conclusions require a passionate belief in the truth of logic) The problem is that the new lords saw the old lords passion as the source of eventual desperation/desecration, so forswore it. What they missed was that the result wasn't due to the passion itself (although without passion it couldn't have been done) but a fault in the faith and logic supporting the passion...the mistakes that directed/misdirected it.
I'm not sure they were stupid, (after all they discovered one or two things the old lords never did) I think they were afraid.

Jeff wrote:And isn't passion the entire issue (or one of the major issues) of real life as well as the Land? Passion is required to achieve anything spectacular (even coldly logical conclusions require a passionate belief in the truth of logic) The problem is that the new lords saw the old lords passion as the source of eventual desperation/desecration, so forswore it. What they missed was that the result wasn't due to the passion itself (although without passion it couldn't have been done) but a fault in the faith and logic supporting the passion...the mistakes that directed/misdirected it.
I'm not sure they were stupid, (after all they discovered one or two things the old lords never did) I think they were afraid.

For the life of me, I can't think of the one or two things the new lords discovered that the old lords never did.

TheWormoftheWorld'sEnd wrote:For the life of me, I can't think of the one or two things the new lords discovered that the old lords never did.

The mind meld thing, for one. There were one or two other things (I remember thinking at the time) that may have only been hinted at, or may have been explicit. I remember they happened (or were described?) after the Staff of Law was re-discovered.

TheWormoftheWorld'sEnd wrote:
Blue is a peaceful color, it represents the oath of peace. Doctors and dentists often wear blue garb because of its capacity for calming their patients. SRD, given his background, would know this, and that's why he chose blue as the New Lord's color.

With all due respect, this is an assumption on your behalf.

Blue has always been referred to as "Lord's fire" and indeed the colour blue is lordly, at least as far as we know of the new Lords, they wear blue, their banner is blue, it makes sense that their lore, which is a method of self-expression, would likewise be blue.
In any case, the relation to the Oath of Peace and that other business is unlikely and baseless conjecture.

But, most importantly, SRD has a little something to say...

Question

Perry Bell: Hello Stephen,
I know you have stated your <snicker> love of questions about magic, but I just have to ask this.
Why is it when Linden uses the staff of law, the fire emitted from the staff is yellow rather than the blue fire that was emitted when used by a lord? Does it have to do with the weilder of the staff, or the spirit of the weilder? I also wondered if this is an effect of linden wearing the ring but not actively employing the wild magic too.
Thanks again for all you do.
Perry Bell

Answer

Several reasons (although the presence and/or use of white gold is not among them). Of course, as you surmise, the spirit of the wielder is crucial. And Linden *made* her own Staff: after Berek, the Lords inherited the Staff. In addition, the Lords had lore: Linden does not (a detail not to be underestimated).

(01/10/2007)

Whatever the case, Stephen Donaldson makes no mention of the Oath of Peace or any calming connotations involved with the colour blue.

That's true, he didn't.

But I think Worm's point does make some sense, Walmart, Lowe's...the sky...

What color was the Old Lords' fire? Or their flag, if they had one?

Another interpretation in Dawn of the Message, LFB:

Atiaran wrote:"But Kevin's betrayal had brought grief and Desolation, and the Land had lane under the bane for many generations and had begun to heal..."

TheWormoftheWorld'sEnd wrote:What color was the Old Lords' fire? Or their flag, if they had one?

I don't know, I'd assume blue as well. But that's all it is, an assumption.

The reason for said assumption would be that the New Lords are wielding the lore of the Old Laws, just in diluted form. And SRD's answer implies, at least in part, that it is the lore that is used (or lack thereof in Linden's case) that gives the power its colour.

Attest wrote:

TheWormoftheWorld'sEnd wrote:What color was the Old Lords' fire? Or their flag, if they had one?

I don't know, I'd assume blue as well. But that's all it is, an assumption.

The reason for said assumption would be that the New Lords are wielding the lore of the Old Laws, just in diluted form. And SRD's answer implies, at least in part, that it is the lore that is used (or lack thereof in Linden's case) that gives the power its colour.

I'm pretty sure it is described as 'oriflamme' if my memory serves. Oriflamme usually a red/ orange-red (gold) pennant...but it doesn't have to be...(it can be just bright/conspicuous)...or a central ideal.
I don't remember the context it was used in precisely, just that it was raised over revelstone...

Jeff wrote:

Attest wrote:

TheWormoftheWorld'sEnd wrote:What color was the Old Lords' fire? Or their flag, if they had one?

I don't know, I'd assume blue as well. But that's all it is, an assumption.

The reason for said assumption would be that the New Lords are wielding the lore of the Old Laws, just in diluted form. And SRD's answer implies, at least in part, that it is the lore that is used (or lack thereof in Linden's case) that gives the power its colour.

I'm pretty sure it is described as 'oriflamme' if my memory serves. Oriflamme usually a red/ orange-red (gold) pennant...but it doesn't have to be...(it can be just bright/conspicuous)...or a central ideal.
I don't remember the context it was used in precisely, just that it was raised over revelstone...

That was a nice try. But the term "oriflamme" only referred to the new Lords' flag (an "azure oriflamme") or to the Illearth stone raised aloft by the Giant-raver like an "oriflamme of gelid fire." So the term is used in the context of an inspiring symbol and not a color.

Interesting on the colors when power is used.

The new Lords fire was blue.
The Illearth Stone's power was green.
The Earthblood was red in color.

Spoiler

Linden's use of EP is yellow.

Ur-Viles, I believe is black.
I wonder if there is a hierarchy when the amount of power is displayed.

Loric Krill is white when shinning.

Always wondered why SRD called it a krill?
I haven't found any references to a sword or magical item referred as a krill.

Krill are a type of shrimp-like marine invertebrate animal

Ur Dead wrote:Interesting on the colors when power is used.

The new Lords fire was blue.
The Illearth Stone's power was green.
The Earthblood was red in color.

Spoiler

Linden's use of EP is yellow.

Ur-Viles, I believe is black.
I wonder if there is a hierarchy when the amount of power is displayed.

Loric Krill is white when shinning.

Always wondered why SRD called it a krill?
I haven't found any references to a sword or magical item referred as a krill.

Krill are a type of shrimp-like marine invertebrate animal

Now you've got me wondering...what color is LF's power? I don't remember one, except when he was using other objects. [his eyes are a disgusting virulent yellow in at least one case...always thought of it as puss under blacklight, personally]
On Krill...I just assumed it was a creative altered form of "kriss" because of it's shape and relation to the wielder [in terms of power].

Vraith wrote:Now you've got me wondering...what color is LF's power? I don't remember one, except when he was using other objects. [his eyes are a disgusting virulent yellow in at least one case...always thought of it as puss under blacklight, personally]
On Krill...I just assumed it was a creative altered form of "kriss" because of it's shape and relation to the wielder [in terms of power].

Green as well, I believe.