Really?? Surely I'm not the only one who stood and cheered when Leo finally drowned, am I?
(Well, horses for courses, as the saying goes. I begged my wife not to force me to watch Titanic - had she learnt nothing from The English Patient? *Sigh.)
District 9
Moderators: dANdeLION, sgt.null
-
Earthfriend
- <i>Haruchai</i>
- Posts: 569
- Joined: Tue May 13, 2003 2:32 pm
- Location: The Hills of Andelain
Since GwtW doesn't have a worldwide gross, then comparing it to the worldwide grosses from other films is meaningless. The only data which pertain are those which are present for all films under consideration.jacob Raver, sinTempter wrote:Titanic: $1.8 bills vs. GwtW: $1.4 bills
Gone with the Wind's total gross, adjusted for inflation, including rereleases, still doesn't even equal Titanic's worldwide gross without inflation adjustment, nor even RotK, Caribbean 2 or DK.
Since we can only compare them by domestic gross adjusted for inflation, then GwtW far outgrossed Titanic.
(The movie is still crap, however, and I agree that Titanic was a better film overall).
"You make me think Hell is run like a corporation."
"It's the other way around, but yes."
Obaki, Too Much Information
"It's the other way around, but yes."
Obaki, Too Much Information
just goes to show there's no accounting for taste huh.jacob Raver, sinTempter wrote:Wait...how can you criticize Malik with Titanic, but say you really like D9? Titanic is a farrrrrr superior film, IMO. Just sayin'
i can basically say whatever i want. IMO.
and, in my opinion, district 9 was a far superior film to titanic.
(never have and never will be a cameron fan. with the exception
of terminator, which was also a far superior film to titanic)
see there. i just said whatever i wanted to say. i type. words come out.
bingo!
not only can i say what i want, i can discount whatever anyone ELSE says if i want.
likewise, you are free to do the same!
its a cool world huh.
you're more advanced than a cockroach,
have you ever tried explaining yourself
to one of them?
~ alan bates, the mothman prophecies
i've had this with actors before, on the set,
where they get upset about the [size of my]
trailer, and i'm always like...take my trailer,
cause... i'm from Kentucky
and that's not what we brag about.
~ george clooney, inside the actor's studio
a straight edge for legends at
the fold - searching for our
lost cities of gold. burnt tar,
gravel pits. sixteen gears switch.
Haphazard Lucy strolls by.
~ dennis r wood ~
have you ever tried explaining yourself
to one of them?
~ alan bates, the mothman prophecies
i've had this with actors before, on the set,
where they get upset about the [size of my]
trailer, and i'm always like...take my trailer,
cause... i'm from Kentucky
and that's not what we brag about.
~ george clooney, inside the actor's studio
a straight edge for legends at
the fold - searching for our
lost cities of gold. burnt tar,
gravel pits. sixteen gears switch.
Haphazard Lucy strolls by.
~ dennis r wood ~
-
Orlion
- The Gap Into Spam
- Posts: 6666
- Joined: Sun Aug 26, 2007 12:30 am
- Location: Getting there...
- Been thanked: 1 time
Where did you get these strange powers?lucimay wrote: not only can i say what i want, i can discount whatever anyone ELSE says if i want.
its a cool world huh.
'Tis dream to think that Reason can
Govern the reasoning creature, man.
- Herman Melville
I am Lazarus, come from the dead,
Come back to tell you all, I shall tell you all!
"All creation is a huge, ornate, imaginary, and unintended fiction; if it could be deciphered it would yield a single shocking word."
-John Crowley
Govern the reasoning creature, man.
- Herman Melville
I am Lazarus, come from the dead,
Come back to tell you all, I shall tell you all!
"All creation is a huge, ornate, imaginary, and unintended fiction; if it could be deciphered it would yield a single shocking word."
-John Crowley
-
Zarathustra
- The Gap Into Spam
- Posts: 19644
- Joined: Tue Jan 04, 2005 12:23 am
- Been thanked: 1 time
You mean when I was 7-yr-old? Oh, I was a hardass back then, too. I told my parents, "Though poorly depicted and written, this is the world Carter is leading us into. I can't vote yet, but for the sake of our future you must vote for Reagan!"but look, did you have this same response to Mad Max the first time you saw it? were you able to see the flaws immediately?
Nah, I thought it was cool.
Joe Biden … putting the Dem in dementia since (at least) 2020.
-
I'm Murrin
- Are you?
- Posts: 15840
- Joined: Tue Apr 08, 2003 1:09 pm
- Location: North East, UK
- Contact:
-
jacob Raver, sinTempter
- The Gap Into Spam
- Posts: 1744
- Joined: Tue Oct 09, 2007 6:54 pm
- Location: Wisconsin, US
Sunshine Music
Deep Music
"I'm gonna eat your brains and gain your knowledge." - Tony Block, Planet Terror
Deep Music
"I'm gonna eat your brains and gain your knowledge." - Tony Block, Planet Terror
i'm fifty-one. i just don't give sh*t anymore!Orlion wrote:Where did you get these strange powers?lucimay wrote: not only can i say what i want, i can discount whatever anyone ELSE says if i want.
its a cool world huh.
life begins at 40 but you stop worrying at 50!!
Malik23 wrote:You mean when I was 7-yr-old? Oh, I was a hardass back then, too. I told my parents, "Though poorly depicted and written, this is the world Carter is leading us into. I can't vote yet, but for the sake of our future you must vote for Reagan!"but look, did you have this same response to Mad Max the first time you saw it? were you able to see the flaws immediately?
Nah, I thought it was cool.
i forgot you wuz a TAD bit younger than me! but you take my point, yes? dude i can TOTALLY seeing the 7 yr old malik making that statement!! peering over yer little glasses pushed
down yer nose!
(and for what its worth, i do totally appreciate your perspective. do not
stop telling us what you think malik. /hugs )
you're more advanced than a cockroach,
have you ever tried explaining yourself
to one of them?
~ alan bates, the mothman prophecies
i've had this with actors before, on the set,
where they get upset about the [size of my]
trailer, and i'm always like...take my trailer,
cause... i'm from Kentucky
and that's not what we brag about.
~ george clooney, inside the actor's studio
a straight edge for legends at
the fold - searching for our
lost cities of gold. burnt tar,
gravel pits. sixteen gears switch.
Haphazard Lucy strolls by.
~ dennis r wood ~
have you ever tried explaining yourself
to one of them?
~ alan bates, the mothman prophecies
i've had this with actors before, on the set,
where they get upset about the [size of my]
trailer, and i'm always like...take my trailer,
cause... i'm from Kentucky
and that's not what we brag about.
~ george clooney, inside the actor's studio
a straight edge for legends at
the fold - searching for our
lost cities of gold. burnt tar,
gravel pits. sixteen gears switch.
Haphazard Lucy strolls by.
~ dennis r wood ~
-
aTOMiC
- Lord
- Posts: 24594
- Joined: Wed Sep 10, 2003 6:48 am
- Location: Tampa, Florida
- Has thanked: 8 times
- Been thanked: 7 times
- Contact:
Finally watched District 9 over the weekend.
First of all I thought it was a masterful piece of work. Gritty, realistic and engaging. Sci Fi in its purest form.
I hadn't had a reaction to a film quite like that since Saving Private Ryan.
And in that sense, like Ryan, I'll probably never watch it again.
I felt the film was far more instructive than it was entertaining, which I believe is the point.
I can't imagine watching Children of Men or Schindler's List or District 9 with anything approaching joy or glee (outside of marveling at it's cinematic and technical achievements. ) I'm just not wired up that way.
A fantastic film any way you look at it to be sure but not a picture I'd pop in for a fun afternoon.
First of all I thought it was a masterful piece of work. Gritty, realistic and engaging. Sci Fi in its purest form.
I hadn't had a reaction to a film quite like that since Saving Private Ryan.
And in that sense, like Ryan, I'll probably never watch it again.
I felt the film was far more instructive than it was entertaining, which I believe is the point.
I can't imagine watching Children of Men or Schindler's List or District 9 with anything approaching joy or glee (outside of marveling at it's cinematic and technical achievements. ) I'm just not wired up that way.
A fantastic film any way you look at it to be sure but not a picture I'd pop in for a fun afternoon.
"If you can't tell the difference, what difference does it make?"
"There is tic and toc in atomic" - Neil Peart
-
Lord Mhoram
- Lord
- Posts: 9512
- Joined: Mon Jul 08, 2002 1:07 am
-
Zarathustra
- The Gap Into Spam
- Posts: 19644
- Joined: Tue Jan 04, 2005 12:23 am
- Been thanked: 1 time
Cracking little film.
(www.movshare.net/video/4aa90b69b7fa5# - if anyone wants ot watch it online.
)
(www.movshare.net/video/4aa90b69b7fa5# - if anyone wants ot watch it online.
)But if you're all about the destination, then take a fucking flight.
We're going nowhere slowly, but we're seeing all the sights.
And we're definitely going to hell, but we'll have all the best stories to tell.
Full of the heavens and time.
We're going nowhere slowly, but we're seeing all the sights.
And we're definitely going to hell, but we'll have all the best stories to tell.
Full of the heavens and time.
-
finn
- The Gap Into Spam
- Posts: 4349
- Joined: Fri Nov 05, 2004 5:03 am
- Location: Maintaining an unsociable distance....
I enjoyed the film and I think plausible answers can be found for most things, I particularly liked that the movie never resolved and left a number of 'what-ifs'. But I'm amazed it took to page 4 where Rigel brought up District 6, for anyone to link the movie to aparteid.
The aliens are in a township, hemmed in and are representative of the portrayal of black South Africans under aparteid (this can be further extended to a number of other theatres of captivity and abuse, including but decidedly not limited to Gitmo, the camps for the Kenyan Mau Mau as well as the likes of Dachau and Belsen and Phnom Phen). All the key factors are there, weakened and impoverished state, dehumanisation (fairly easy in this case), segregation and then problem status. That they used South Africa cannot have been accidental, nor the use of black township interviewees to further qualify the lowliness of their status.
The portrayal of humanity is I fear pretty accurate. I could very easily see corporate and governmental greed, grasping for technological edges and the paranoia of our species dissecting, experimenting and doing the whole nazi slew of horrors on a captive alien species, whilst broadcasting the very opposite. Hell we don't need commies or muslims when we have aliens to unite against!
I think JazFusion makes some good points too especially about Wikas, I supopose that the characterisation is about being broken and reborn as part of a redemption out of bigotry, (maybe a sort of thumbnail sketch of a mini history of SA and aparteid). Forgive me Av if my details is not spot on, but I think it more than curious that its set in Jo'burg.
Another theme is that truth gets out.....eventually. The open end is about the all the things that can now happen as a result of two aliens escaping to tell others that we are experimenting on their people. What are the consequences of this? Do we start to treat them decently rather than merely as subjects for exploitation....its sounds not from the movie. Will they come back to collect them or kill or disinherit humanity? Will Wikas be restored by Christopher coming back in three years, which then begs the question about the extent of alien "humanity" (or should that be "alienity" or "prawnity"?).
I've just got back from the cinema so I'm still full of it, but I think there are a lot of questions the movie kicks up in the realms of sociology, anthropology, politics and philosophy and I'm sure many other "ophys" and "ologys".
I was a bit unsure about the geo-politics with the ship not arriving above New York or London or Beijing or Moscow. I'd be willing to bet there would be a whole lot of fighting for possession of the alien technology, though MNU did seem to be a bit KBR/Haliburton in nature including the private security service, all empowered through an outsourcing agreement with the SA government, which is plausible. Not so sure about Nigerians though would the locals allow such a thing?
The aliens are in a township, hemmed in and are representative of the portrayal of black South Africans under aparteid (this can be further extended to a number of other theatres of captivity and abuse, including but decidedly not limited to Gitmo, the camps for the Kenyan Mau Mau as well as the likes of Dachau and Belsen and Phnom Phen). All the key factors are there, weakened and impoverished state, dehumanisation (fairly easy in this case), segregation and then problem status. That they used South Africa cannot have been accidental, nor the use of black township interviewees to further qualify the lowliness of their status.
The portrayal of humanity is I fear pretty accurate. I could very easily see corporate and governmental greed, grasping for technological edges and the paranoia of our species dissecting, experimenting and doing the whole nazi slew of horrors on a captive alien species, whilst broadcasting the very opposite. Hell we don't need commies or muslims when we have aliens to unite against!
I think JazFusion makes some good points too especially about Wikas, I supopose that the characterisation is about being broken and reborn as part of a redemption out of bigotry, (maybe a sort of thumbnail sketch of a mini history of SA and aparteid). Forgive me Av if my details is not spot on, but I think it more than curious that its set in Jo'burg.
Another theme is that truth gets out.....eventually. The open end is about the all the things that can now happen as a result of two aliens escaping to tell others that we are experimenting on their people. What are the consequences of this? Do we start to treat them decently rather than merely as subjects for exploitation....its sounds not from the movie. Will they come back to collect them or kill or disinherit humanity? Will Wikas be restored by Christopher coming back in three years, which then begs the question about the extent of alien "humanity" (or should that be "alienity" or "prawnity"?).
I've just got back from the cinema so I'm still full of it, but I think there are a lot of questions the movie kicks up in the realms of sociology, anthropology, politics and philosophy and I'm sure many other "ophys" and "ologys".
I was a bit unsure about the geo-politics with the ship not arriving above New York or London or Beijing or Moscow. I'd be willing to bet there would be a whole lot of fighting for possession of the alien technology, though MNU did seem to be a bit KBR/Haliburton in nature including the private security service, all empowered through an outsourcing agreement with the SA government, which is plausible. Not so sure about Nigerians though would the locals allow such a thing?
"Winston, if you were my husband I'd give you poison" ................ "Madam, if you were my wife I would drink it!"
"Terrorism is war by the poor, and war is terrorism by the rich"
"A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well."
"The opposite of pro-life isn't pro-death. Y'know?"
"What if the Hokey Cokey really is what its all about?"
"Terrorism is war by the poor, and war is terrorism by the rich"
"A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well."
"The opposite of pro-life isn't pro-death. Y'know?"
"What if the Hokey Cokey really is what its all about?"
-
jacob Raver, sinTempter
- The Gap Into Spam
- Posts: 1744
- Joined: Tue Oct 09, 2007 6:54 pm
- Location: Wisconsin, US
I'd bet that regardless of place, the larger powers would be all over the area around the ship, we (the US) would probably have troops at a new permanent base, and also the UN would be there. The whole concept of a corp being brought in allows the rest of the story, but is pretty unrealistic.
Sunshine Music
Deep Music
"I'm gonna eat your brains and gain your knowledge." - Tony Block, Planet Terror
Deep Music
"I'm gonna eat your brains and gain your knowledge." - Tony Block, Planet Terror
welp i watched the comicon panel chat with peter jackson, sharlto copley, and neill blomkamp and blomkamp talked a bit about why the film was set in jo'berg it's interesting. and, i'm sorry but...sharlto copley is a HUNK! woot! 
(the thing is in 2 parts so be sure, if you watch the part i've linked to click part two when its over)
(the thing is in 2 parts so be sure, if you watch the part i've linked to click part two when its over)
you're more advanced than a cockroach,
have you ever tried explaining yourself
to one of them?
~ alan bates, the mothman prophecies
i've had this with actors before, on the set,
where they get upset about the [size of my]
trailer, and i'm always like...take my trailer,
cause... i'm from Kentucky
and that's not what we brag about.
~ george clooney, inside the actor's studio
a straight edge for legends at
the fold - searching for our
lost cities of gold. burnt tar,
gravel pits. sixteen gears switch.
Haphazard Lucy strolls by.
~ dennis r wood ~
have you ever tried explaining yourself
to one of them?
~ alan bates, the mothman prophecies
i've had this with actors before, on the set,
where they get upset about the [size of my]
trailer, and i'm always like...take my trailer,
cause... i'm from Kentucky
and that's not what we brag about.
~ george clooney, inside the actor's studio
a straight edge for legends at
the fold - searching for our
lost cities of gold. burnt tar,
gravel pits. sixteen gears switch.
Haphazard Lucy strolls by.
~ dennis r wood ~
I enjoyed it, I thought it made a very strong statement on oppresion of the conquered, and can't wait to see it again when it comes out on DVD
I Never Fail To Be Astounded By The Things We Do For Promises - Ronnie James Dio (All The Fools Sailed Away)
Remember, everytime you drag someone through the mud, you're down in the mud with them
Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass...
It's about learning to dance in the rain
Where are we going...and... WHY are we in a handbasket?
Remember, everytime you drag someone through the mud, you're down in the mud with them
Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass...
It's about learning to dance in the rain
Where are we going...and... WHY are we in a handbasket?
oh yeah and malik, i did go see it again. ger hadn't seen it so he and i went.
yeah...second time around some things kind of bothered me.
for instance the fight/action scenes seemed much longer and more protracted than they needed to be and there were a LOT of them. that sort of bugged me on second viewing. lots of fight, not enough story.
however, if you watch the panel discussion and hear how the film was put together sort of "on the fly" this sorta makes sense. it is, after all, based on a 9 minute short.
on second viewing i have to say that yeah, there was a POTENTIAL for this film to be brilliant but it didn't quite get there. still, given all that, i like it and probably will get the dvd.
yeah...second time around some things kind of bothered me.
for instance the fight/action scenes seemed much longer and more protracted than they needed to be and there were a LOT of them. that sort of bugged me on second viewing. lots of fight, not enough story.
however, if you watch the panel discussion and hear how the film was put together sort of "on the fly" this sorta makes sense. it is, after all, based on a 9 minute short.
on second viewing i have to say that yeah, there was a POTENTIAL for this film to be brilliant but it didn't quite get there. still, given all that, i like it and probably will get the dvd.
you're more advanced than a cockroach,
have you ever tried explaining yourself
to one of them?
~ alan bates, the mothman prophecies
i've had this with actors before, on the set,
where they get upset about the [size of my]
trailer, and i'm always like...take my trailer,
cause... i'm from Kentucky
and that's not what we brag about.
~ george clooney, inside the actor's studio
a straight edge for legends at
the fold - searching for our
lost cities of gold. burnt tar,
gravel pits. sixteen gears switch.
Haphazard Lucy strolls by.
~ dennis r wood ~
have you ever tried explaining yourself
to one of them?
~ alan bates, the mothman prophecies
i've had this with actors before, on the set,
where they get upset about the [size of my]
trailer, and i'm always like...take my trailer,
cause... i'm from Kentucky
and that's not what we brag about.
~ george clooney, inside the actor's studio
a straight edge for legends at
the fold - searching for our
lost cities of gold. burnt tar,
gravel pits. sixteen gears switch.
Haphazard Lucy strolls by.
~ dennis r wood ~
-
jacob Raver, sinTempter
- The Gap Into Spam
- Posts: 1744
- Joined: Tue Oct 09, 2007 6:54 pm
- Location: Wisconsin, US
Maybe he'll hit the right note with District 10.
Sunshine Music
Deep Music
"I'm gonna eat your brains and gain your knowledge." - Tony Block, Planet Terror
Deep Music
"I'm gonna eat your brains and gain your knowledge." - Tony Block, Planet Terror
-
Zarathustra
- The Gap Into Spam
- Posts: 19644
- Joined: Tue Jan 04, 2005 12:23 am
- Been thanked: 1 time
While I agree that humans can be pretty shitty, I don't think the portrayal of this shittiness was at all accurate. It felt like caricatures.finn wrote:The portrayal of humanity is I fear pretty accurate.
I'm glad you enjoyed it.
I hope that wasn't my fault.lucimay wrote: yeah...second time around some things kind of bothered me.
Like I said, I'm looking forward to my second viewing on the home theater. We're almost completely moved into our new place. New sofa and recliner are due tomorrow. I can't wait.Joe Biden … putting the Dem in dementia since (at least) 2020.
no not in the least your fault bub. i actually expected to see some things the second time i didn't see the first. that always happens. sometimes you see new good things, sometimes you see crap.Malik23 wrote:I hope that wasn't my fault.lucimay wrote:yeah...second time around some things kind of bothered me.
you moved into a new place? cool!
you're more advanced than a cockroach,
have you ever tried explaining yourself
to one of them?
~ alan bates, the mothman prophecies
i've had this with actors before, on the set,
where they get upset about the [size of my]
trailer, and i'm always like...take my trailer,
cause... i'm from Kentucky
and that's not what we brag about.
~ george clooney, inside the actor's studio
a straight edge for legends at
the fold - searching for our
lost cities of gold. burnt tar,
gravel pits. sixteen gears switch.
Haphazard Lucy strolls by.
~ dennis r wood ~
have you ever tried explaining yourself
to one of them?
~ alan bates, the mothman prophecies
i've had this with actors before, on the set,
where they get upset about the [size of my]
trailer, and i'm always like...take my trailer,
cause... i'm from Kentucky
and that's not what we brag about.
~ george clooney, inside the actor's studio
a straight edge for legends at
the fold - searching for our
lost cities of gold. burnt tar,
gravel pits. sixteen gears switch.
Haphazard Lucy strolls by.
~ dennis r wood ~