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Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 10:49 am
by I'm Murrin
Yes, healthsight would make any falseness obvious to Linden, we must remember.
Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 11:40 am
by Revan
ahhh... I'd forgotten. very good point Murrin. And it also supports my "It must be Covenant" theory.

Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 3:14 pm
by Funky Staff of Law
Surely the name of the second book implies that this is Covenant?
Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 4:20 pm
by burgs
But her healthsense, remember, needs to be recharged. Perhaps her healthsense, unbeknownst to her because of the enormous tension, has dissipated somewhat. In that case, she wouldn't know. Also, if it were, say, Roger, her health sense wouldn't help at all.
Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 4:27 pm
by Revan
but she will know, once it's recharged... she'd know anyways...
Funky Staff of Law has a point, (heh, love the name

) the title pretty much says it's Covenant... "Fatal Reverant" meaing he's back from the dead.
I told you he'd be back, you can't have a series named after the character (The Chronicles of
Thomas Covenant ) Without him making an appearance.
Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 4:45 pm
by burgs
Of course he's making an appearance. But that doesn't mean that the Covenant approaching Revelstone is who we think he is.
Remember - ABOVE ALL - the title of the very last chapter is what?
FIND ME
Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 7:11 pm
by CovenantJr
Funky Staff of Law

Best name on the watch, after I Am Not Joan

Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 7:20 pm
by Jerico
I am left with the feeling that TC was somehow tied into the new Staff of Law, but couldn't tell Linden this. There are certain things that he could not tell her because the Law wouldn't permit it.
By going back in time to retrieve it she somehow freed TC. By finding the Staff she was finding TC, or perhaps freeing him.
I think the next book will cronicle how TC and Jerimiah end up arriving at Revelstone.
I also think that Jerimiah has been with TC the whole time. Remember Roger telling Linden that Jerimiah had been empty for ten years. Pehaps his 'soul' was trapped in the Land ever since putting his hand into the flame.
Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 8:02 pm
by burgs
Jerico wrote:I also think that Jerimiah has been with TC the whole time. Remember Roger telling Linden that Jerimiah had been empty for ten years. Pehaps his 'soul' was trapped in the Land ever since putting his hand into the flame.
That's a pretty good theory. I actually marked the spot in the text. Here's what it says.
He's just meat. Don't you know that? An empty carcass. There's nothing you could do to save him. There hasn't been anyone in there for ten years."
This almost - almost - sounds like Foul talking. It's exactly the type of thing he would say to mislead her.
hmm..
Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 9:09 pm
by avial
croyel, anyone?
...Plus has anyone else noticed that despite Covenant talking to Linden in her dreams etc he seems genuinely surprised to see her when he "manifests" himself through Anele? Some sort of duality perhaps?
Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 9:19 pm
by burgs
I don't think so.
Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 9:49 pm
by TincupCPG
Guys, I hate to argue this point...but just becuase Linden and the Haruchai can "see" does not mean a thing. Why? Lord Foul was literally at Kevin's side for years and years and years..and he never saw the real Foul. They also had the earth sight. And remember vain? Vain was a blank to Avery and her sight. Even after the One Tree when part of his arm was turned wooden, she said it wasn't even there when she closed her eyes and "looked" at him. The earth sight is not infallible. However I might hope that this is the "real" Covenant, I doubt it will be that easy.
Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2004 2:35 pm
by I'm Murrin
Lord Foul managed to hide that he was ill from the other Lords - he did not attempt to successfully replace another person who was very well known to those Lords; he came to them as himself. Linden has seen Covenant - has even taken herself deep inside Covenant's mind. Any deception able to convince her it is Covenant himself must be of an entirely different kind to that which kept Foul's nature hidden.
Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 12:43 am
by Xar
As a side note, did nobody consider that, in the First Chronicles, the earth sight of the people of the Land couldn't "read" Covenant (as Atiaran and the Lords admit, among other things)? Perhaps the Haruchai also cannot "read" the perceived Covenant's "truth" - at least not completely. On the other hand, Linden's earth sense is much more powerful - since nowhere else we have heard of people of the Land able to do even just half as much as Linden did with her sense (although it's also true that the old people of the Land would never willingly have possessed someone)... So maybe her sight can go deeper than the Haruchai's in this matter. Still, she's still in love with Covenant, and we all know love is blind...
Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 12:52 am
by burgs
I believe Linden has capabilities that have yet to be plumbed.
Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 3:02 am
by Old Darth
If it is the real Thomas Covenant will Linden give him the ring? Will he want or need it? That decision has serious consequences down either path.
Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 3:48 am
by Creator
Old Darth wrote:If it is the real Thomas Covenant will Linden give him the ring? Will he want or need it? That decision has serious consequences down either path.
I think she will try to give it to him. Most of the final chapters of Runes focused on how apt the Staff-of-Law was for her and how inappropriate the white gold was.
Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 3:52 am
by duchess of malfi
I think that Linden herself seemed to think that same thing...it was also telling that she made sure not to use the SOL and the WG at the same time...
Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 5:28 am
by burgs
I don't believe that Linden wants to use wild magic. She is extremely uncomfortable using it, even though she has demonstrated tremendous facility with it.
Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 3:22 pm
by Funky Staff of Law
Interestingly when Covenant talks to Linden at the end of WGW when he tells her she has to heal the Sunbane he describes what she is seeing and speaking to as a revenant of himself and says 'I am like the dead. Anyone can make me go away.'