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Cail
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Post by Cail »

No, no, no, no. I'm not talking about self-loathing. I'm talking about not accepting failure. I'm talking about Captain Kirk and the Kobayashi Maru.

And Pliss, I don't think pride is always bad. Pride can be a good thing.
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Post by Plissken »

Well, that's the trick, isn't it? The same type of shame that is employed to keep the bodies of little girls appropriately covered is self-loathing. The feeling that one has when one actually gives up is self-loathing. To continue to struggle, to continue to reach for an ideal is the basis of honor, whether that ideal be modesty - or indeed, any of the virtues - or good grades.

It's the focus that's so important: the Joy of Honor, or the Fear of Failure. The same goals can be reached, no matter which is focused upon - but the journey is only worthwhile when focused on one.
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