Star Trek

Post by **dlbpharmd** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 10:35 pm

I still haven't seen Nemesis. Though I'm not avoiding it, it's not a burning drive, since I haven't been too thrilled with the movies in general.

Don't bother - it's not much better than Insurrection.

Post by **Seafoam Understone** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 11:47 pm

Fist and Faith wrote: But I agree that II and VI are the best. Great stuff! And, though Generations in general isn't that big a deal, the effects were amazing. I liked the Stellar Cartography room, and, of course, the crash of the saucer section was beyond belief!! First time seeing it, probably second too, I wanted to yell at the screen, "Stop! Please stop it already! I can't take anymore!!"

Is it me or has anyone else ever noticed that whenever Riker gets behind the wheel (command chair) of the Enterprise... he wrecks it?

Post by **Fist and Faith** » Fri Oct 17, 2003 2:44 am

Strategical genius sometimes, incompetent dope other times. Was up wit dat?

Post by **aTOMiC** » Fri Oct 17, 2003 10:55 am

Seafoam Understone wrote: Is it me or has anyone else ever noticed that whenever Riker gets behind the wheel (command chair) of the Enterprise... he wrecks it?

Its not you SU, its a statistical fact.

Post by **aTOMiC** » Fri Oct 17, 2003 11:01 am

dlbpharmd wrote:
I still haven't seen Nemesis. Though I'm not avoiding it, it's not a burning drive, since I haven't been too thrilled with the movies in general.
Don't bother - it's not much better than Insurrection.

Unfortunately I’m forced to agree with you. Like many people I was expecting a rebound from Insurrection that simply didn’t happen. Historically, Star Trek films tend to descend into mediocrity as often as there is a triumph and the even numbered installments have been the beneficiary of that order since the Wrath of Khan followed The Motion Picture. Nemesis had great promise but ultimately couldn’t deliver on many levels. I have my favorites. Khan, Voyage, Country, Contact are standouts and the abomination that was Star Trek V – The Final Frontier is by far the worst of the bunch.

Post by **aTOMiC** » Fri Oct 17, 2003 11:08 am

Fist and Faith wrote: I liked the Stellar Cartography room, and, of course, the crash of the saucer section was beyond belief!! First time seeing it, probably second too, I wanted to yell at the screen, "Stop! Please stop it already! I can't take anymore!!"

The crash scene in Generations was impressive to be sure. A highlight of the film without question. My biggest complaint with Generations was the death of Captain Kirk. Having my childhood hero squashed like tomato just didn’t sit well with me. His first apparent death aboard the Enterprise B was far more satisfying and appropriate. In my humble opinion of course.

Post by **Fist and Faith** » Fri Oct 17, 2003 9:13 pm

Yup, I agree.

Post by **Ylva Kresh** » Wed Nov 05, 2003 9:07 pm

I found this galactic Jane Austen site:

hem.passagen.se/anna6810/austen/starwars/galactic.html

It is some TNG (I love Worfs new dress) and some star wars...

Post by **duchess of malfi** » Wed Nov 05, 2003 10:21 pm

Thank you, Ylva -- that really tickled me.

Post by **Dromond** » Fri Nov 28, 2003 8:57 pm

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Post by **Loredoctor** » Fri Dec 12, 2003 9:18 am

I don't like Star Trek. I don't like any sci-fi series.

Post by **Roland of Gilead** » Fri Dec 12, 2003 3:44 pm

I've been a Trekker for over thirty years. I own all the original series episodes, all the movies. I'm pretty sure I've seen every episode of every series at least once, including the animated one.

However, I would rank the shows in the following order: Original, Next Generation, Deep Space Nine, Voyager and Enterprise. See a pattern here? It's the law of diminishing returns.

And even the latest movie was fairly lame, and seemed to be the actors just going through the motions. And that's difficult for me to admit, because I think Patrick Stewart and Brent Spiner are the two finest actors to ever don a Starfleet uniform.

So as much as it pains me to admit it, I wouldn't mind seeing the show hang up its deflector array for a couple seasons and recharge the old warp coils.

Because I think shows like Babylon Five and Firefly demonstrate just how creaky Trek is becoming in the field of tv sf.

Post by **aTOMiC** » Fri Dec 12, 2003 4:03 pm

Much as it pains me to say this, Roland.....I totally agree with you. I'm in the same boat. I feel about all of the series the same way. I have all of the films. Most of the original series. Some of STNG. I was really hoping Enterprise would have restored my faith in Trek. They promised an exploration into Trek past. I was excited about seeing the often mentioned events of earth and starfleet history, fleshed out in an entertaining way. Now it seems Enterprise has fallen into the "Voyager" trap.

Post by **dANdeLION** » Fri Dec 12, 2003 4:48 pm

Cromas Tummins wrote: I was excited about seeing the often mentioned events of earth and starfleet history, fleshed out in an entertaining way.

Didn't you learn your lesson from "Phantom Menace"? Some things are best left un-filmed.

Post by **dANdeLION** » Fri Dec 12, 2003 4:49 pm

Roland of Gilead wrote:Because I think shows like Babylon Five and Firefly demonstrate just how creaky Trek is becoming in the field of tv sf.

I really liked Firefly. So naturally, it was canned.

Post by **aTOMiC** » Fri Dec 12, 2003 4:49 pm

MEGATON dAN wrote:
Cromas Tummins wrote: I was excited about seeing the often mentioned events of earth and starfleet history, fleshed out in an entertaining way.
Didn't you learn your lesson from "Phantom Menace"? Some things are best left un-filmed.

I'm hard headed in many ways. I'm such a "fanboy' that I want to see it anyway.

Post by **Roland of Gilead** » Fri Dec 12, 2003 5:57 pm

Good point, Cromas, that Enterprise appears to be falling into the Voyager trap. And I can see no even remotely plausible way to explain why all this enormously momentous events occurring in the Delphic Expanse has never since been mentioned by the Federation or Starfleet . . . unless it's all a parallel timeline (or a Bobby Ewing dream-sequence!). In other words, a lame resolution of the lowest order.

That's the biggest problem with Enterprise for me, anyway. The lack of continuity that this "early" series creates with the later series. For instance, last year's Borg episode - there is no way that I can be convinced that the knowledge gleaned by Archer and crew of this devastating species would have been kept from the Captain of the flagship, Picard, in a later century. We're supposed to believe that Picard learned of the Borg's existence and plan for humanity from Q, when Starfleet and Earth already knew of the situation hundreds of years previously. Yeah, right.

It's this sort of slipshod writing that has really disillusioned me. Anything for a quick exciting plot, at the expense of the overall mythology and larger storylines that have been painstakingly built up over the years in the other series.

Ah, well, I'll beam off my soapbox now.

Post by **aTOMiC** » Fri Dec 12, 2003 6:08 pm

Again, I can't argue with you Roland.

It has been very frustrating watching Trek continuity go down the tubes with Enterprise. The first half of the first season had some ups and downs that I was willing to forgive. I was happy to see the Andorians. I was happy to witness the weapons transistion. I like Dr. Phlox. I knew what I was getting in to the moment the temporal cold war was announced. We all accept that it was the Enterpise NCC 1701 that was first to travel back in time.
Arrrggghhhhh!!!!
I agree with you. Put the series out to pasture before more damage is done. I've mentioned it before. I'd give the whole Star Trek shooting match over to Niclolas Meyer. Star Trek II demonstrated that he totally gets what the show should be about. IMHO of course.

Post by **Roland of Gilead** » Fri Dec 12, 2003 7:29 pm

We seem to be on the same wavelength, Cromas. I even agree re: Star Trek II Wrath of Khan. With one exception - I still consider Star Trek IV The Voyage Home the best of the films, with II a close second.

Post by **aTOMiC** » Fri Dec 12, 2003 7:35 pm

Roland of Gilead wrote:We seem to be on the same wavelength, Cromas. I even agree re: Star Trek II Wrath of Khan. With one exception - I still consider Star Trek IV The Voyage Home the best of the films, with II a close second.

Well, were certainly thinking nearly the same way. My favorites are based on the feeling I got watching the films for the first time. 2 then 4 for the first cast films. As to Trek being run by someone with some common sense, I don't disagree that Nimoy would do a terrific job of re imagining things, but realistically he probably would never accept the assignment. Meyer just might.

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