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I like that stuff too.

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What about the Jake/Roland first encounter? I think they would probobly put it in as a prequel episode, but the series would take most of the second book and on.

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They should keep that...it sets up the need to extract him from "our world" and set Roland up as a surrogate father. THAT is needed as is the bloodbath in Tull.
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Name a movie adatation of any series, or single book, that was as good as the original book?

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Shawshank Redemption.
Shawshank (the movie) is a huge expansion on the story. It's certainly a good film, but it's not a faithful rendering.
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I'll grant that Shawshank is pretty good insofar as movies of Kings books go, but not only was it not faithful, as Cail said, but Rita Hayworth and the Shawshank Redemption was a novella. Very short.

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Right, which makes it a "not good interpretation".
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Well, that too, but what I meant was "much easier to make a film of without cutting everything."

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Right. That too.
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i disagree with both of you. and I'M going to be the absolute one on this one.

The Shawshank Redemption as a film was a VERY good adaptation, (and it's not the only good one either.)

the novella's length LENDS itself to the film format VERY well and i've read that particular novella more times than Avatar has read The Dark Tower (see DT trivia thread for that bit of info).

i find it a very faithful rendering of the major themes and motifs in the novella. the changes were minimal and served the story. there were things left out and things shortened but it was, by my VERY picky standards on adaptations (i can rail on this issue for hours and hours, i am a purist and feel directors OWE novelists fidelity to the original work, don't even get me started on LOtR) a REALLY good adaptation for a King film, especially considering ANYthing freaking crap miniseries director Mick Garis has done with any King material.

don't be hatin' on TSR. :evil:
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<sigh>

Just because it's a good film does not make it a good adaptation. Look at the original Shining movie. Great film, crappy adaptation.
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i believe i've stated my opinion.

i'm sorry if you feel i've been somehow misled by my intellect.

as i said, i've read it many many many times. it's my FAVORITE SK story. period.

i think it's a good adaptation and my opinion on this as i believe i've indicated in the prior post, is not negotiable. in other words, just because you say you don't think it's good doesn't convince me. i own it. i own the book (different seasons). this is my opinion.
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Misled by your intellect?

You like the story. Good for you. You like the film. Good for you. I don't want or need to convince you of anything. The film deviates from the written story in ways that, in my opinion, it shouldn't have. To me, that makes for a poor adaptation.
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Cail wrote:Misled by your intellect?

You like the story. Good for you. You like the film. Good for you. I don't want or need to convince you of anything. The film deviates from the written story in ways that, in my opinion, it shouldn't have. To me, that makes for a poor adaptation.

yeah, mislead by my intellect.

your comment,
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Just because it's a good film does not make it a good adaptation. Look at the original Shining movie. Great film, crappy adaptation.

has a somewhat condescending tone and implies that i don't KNOW that just because it's a good film does not make it a good adaptation.
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For the record, I don't think it's a particularly good novella or film. Tastes are personal, that's why there are 31 flavors instead of one.

Glad you liked it, I didn't, and I maintain my position that it's a substandard adaptation.
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yep. thats what i was doing before, stating my opinion and disagreeing with you.
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:lol: You two. :D

For what it's worth, I do think it's one of the best movies of an SK story. No doubt about that when you compare it to most. :lol:

And I enjoyed it as a movie and as a book (although those little things do nigle at me).

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It would be cool if in the DT movie, Roland has the horn of Eld this time around, so as to continue the series from the end of the 7th book. This would allow for deviation from the story and an awesome movie. Of course, Stephen King would have to closely monitor the outcome..
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Cail wrote:It will suck, there's no way around it. It'd take 4-5 seasons of a show to tell the story, and that's not gonna happen.
What he said. These are seven epic novels (I just got all 7 in audiobook format, half way through book 5 at the moment), bringing the entire story to screen in a way that did it justice would be a massive undertaking.

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