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AICN assumptions on plot for JJ ABrams new Trek Film

Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 1:59 pm
by sindatur
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AICN EXCLUSIVE! Moriarty’s Been Hearing Some Rumors About STAR TREK...

Hey, everyone. “Moriarty” here.

So let’s talk about STAR TREK.

JJ Abrams looms large on the pop culture landscape right now. Whether you love everything he’s done or not, he’s carved out a nice piece of the pie for himself, and part of that pie right now is getting to play with the biggest train sets that Paramount has. When they offered to bring him to the movie division, they did so knowing full well what they wanted from him: franchises and events. And if something can be both at once, even better.

And there are people that sneer at the sort of thing that Abrams does right now, but I’ve been pretty vocal about this for a while... I’m fascinated. There are things he’s been associated with that I’ve hated (REGARDING HENRY, for example), that I’ve been indifferent to (FELICITY), things I’ve loved (ALIAS, LOST). I think he obviously gets what kind of heavy lifting it takes to create a successful franchise event. And again... that sounds so calculated and clinical, but it’s not. It doesn’t have to be. You can decide you want to do a certain kind of big canvas movie, and you can do it with real passion and ambition. Even when I’ve disagreed passionately with the creative direction JJ Abrams took an existing property (his SUPERMAN draft), I’ve done so because I’m engaged by the way he makes choices. He’s not fucking around when he takes a property and rebuilds it. He’s going to make radical decisions, and they might work, or they might backfire, but they’re going to be bold choices. I think M:I:III was a warm-up. I enjoyed it, but it wasn’t really reinventing the wheel. He just made a solid M:I film, which is what he needed to do, basically.

I think he’s aiming higher with STAR TREK. And I think he’s making some of those big bold choices, and doing things that you wouldn’t think he’s doing. And I think there’s a chance STAR TREK fans are going to commit mass seppuku when they hear some of what he’s up to. Which is exactly what you’d expect when you’re making big choices.

The first question is...

No, actually; the only question is: why STAR TREK?

I’m hoping I get a chance to ask JJ exactly that. I wonder if it’s the opportunity for the exploration movies down the road. If this first one goes well, he’ll be able to make STAR TREK movies for the next ten or twelve years, easy. With his track record in TV, I’m sure Paramount would let him take it back to the small screen when the film franchise goes cold again. He could be doing this for the rest of his life in one way or another.

Or maybe it’s just a one-off. He’ll make a few of these and then hand it off to someone else. I don’t know. I don’t know how much he wants to do or how little.

Certainly, STAR TREK is about as stark a set of archetypes as you could ask for when doing a remake. It all depends on hiring the right young Kirk, young Spock, and young McCoy.

Those are your big three. You need that dynamic to be perfect so everything else falls into place. Most of the big drama happens in the friction between those three personalities. So obviously the first film is going to find a way to put those three people together. Right?

Sort of. Possibly.

Okay, first thing that surprised me: I think Leonard Nimoy is sort of the star of the movie. I think a lot of this movie is about Spock. Nimoy-aged Spock, mind you.

How?

Okay... you know the scene in BACK TO THE FUTURE 2? Where Doc Brown explains alternate timelines? Well, this is sort of... ummm... TREK TO THE FUTURE, I guess you would call it...

Picture an incident that throws a group of Romulans back in time. Picture that group of Romulans figuring out where they are in the timeline, then deciding to take advantage of the accident to kill someone’s father, to erase them from the timeline before they exist, thereby changing all of the TREK universe as a result. Who would you erase? Whose erasure would leave the biggest hole in the TREK universe is the question you should be asking.

Who else, of course, but James T. Kirk?

If Spock were in a position to change that incident back, and then in a position to guard that timeline and make sure things happen the way they’re supposed to, it creates...

... well, what does it create? Because evidently the plan is to use this second timeline as a way of rebooting without erasing or ignoring canon. These new voyages of the ENTERPRISE, they’re taking place in whatever timeline starts with this story. Maybe this timeline features dramatic differences. Like... say... if Vulcan were to be blown up. If the Vulcans in the series were suddenly the last of their kind, alone in the universe, it would change who they are and maybe even redefine their strict rejection of emotion in favor of logic.

You can introduce these Universe2 versions of classic TREK events and characters, and you can play with the audience’s expectation. Things have changed. Some things play out the way you expect… some don’t. It’s basically the same solution Marvel Comics has in terms of publishing, the way they use their ULTIMATES line to reboot continuity.

As a friend said when I was talking to him about this tonight, “Wait... so you’re saying they’re not just doing a square one reboot that would simplify everything, but that they’re actually making it... more complicated?”

It would appear so. Not that I think TREK fans mind complicated. It’s certainly not the safest choice if this is, in fact, the direction he goes with the film.

I’m not telling you that anything I said above is 100% set in stone. I don’t think Abrams is far enough along for that to be the case yet. But they are considering some really crazy reinventions, on par with some of the choices Abrams was making on SUPERMAN.

Who was the original captain of the ENTERPRISE?

I know the answer to that question in the canon STAR TREK universe right now... but will it be the same in the Abrams TREK universe?

Can you fundamentally alter one or more of the characters in that main trio, and still expect the same chemistry when you put the three characters together?

That’s the real question Abrams is going to have to face when he reveals his TREK next Christmas. I think you’d have to be crazy to bet against him, and I’m intrigued by some of these decisions, but I’m also willing to bet that even details as vague as the ones I’ve reported here today will cause a fair bit of debate. Abrams certainly doesn’t take low-profile gigs, and I guess that’s one of the reasons he’s gotten so good at trying to engage the audience early or in unconventional media ways. I’ll be curious to see how he gets the public ready for his version of TREK. What the images are we see first. How he sets the visual tone for the world. I hope it’s very classic TREK. I hope that’s something they embrace. The greatest visual representation of that ‘60s version of the universe, all Roddenberry optimistic with big giant philosophical ambition. Pop that aims a little higher. The Abrams sweet spot.

I’m sure we’ll have more on this as it develops.

Let the talkbacks begin!



It could work, if this is close to accurate, of course it could also fall flat on it's face.

I think the author is correct, the most important component will be the actors cast for Kirk, Spopck, and mcCoy.

I think Zach Quinto (Sylar from Heroes) is a great choice for Spock, and with Nimoy around to help him nail the nuances, he could be superb.

Ando from Heroes has apparently been spreading the word he'd love to offered the part of Sulu.

Anton Yelchin, I know nothing of his acting, but, I think he could look a fair amount lilke Chekov.
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:16 pm
by Cail
In a surprising (yeah right) break from accepted beliefs, I think JJ Abrams is a talentless hack, and have absolutely zero faith that this will be any different from his other lifeless projects.

I'd rather see Uwe Boll direct the rebooted Star Trek; it'd suck, but at least it'd be funny.

Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:24 pm
by A Gunslinger
Cail wrote:In a surprising (yeah right) break from accepted beliefs, I think JJ Abrams is a talentless hack, and have absolutely zero faith that this will be any different from his other lifeless projects.

I'd rather see Uwe Boll direct the rebooted Star Trek; it'd suck, but at least it'd be funny.
Boy Cail... "talentless hack?" You have just accused JJ Abrams of being the Ashlee Simpson of media creation. Clearly, if for no other reason than LOST...he clearly has talent.

Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:31 pm
by sindatur
Cail wrote:In a surprising (yeah right) break from accepted beliefs, I think JJ Abrams is a talentless hack, and have absolutely zero faith that this will be any different from his other lifeless projects.

I'd rather see Uwe Boll direct the rebooted Star Trek; it'd suck, but at least it'd be funny.
Many people loved Alias (I've never seen it personally) and Felicity and of course there's LOST. Not a fan of JJ, eh?

Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:37 pm
by Cail
Didn't care for Alias one bit, and Lost simply sucks (sorry, had to be said). Having an incomprehensible program that slowly doles out plot information does not make one talented. MI:III was horrible, Armageddon speaks for itself (he wrote it), and Gone Fishin'.....What more needs to be said.

He's the flavor of the month who has nothing in his resume to support the love lavished upon him, much less suggest that he could tackle a franchise like Star Trek.

Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:43 pm
by A Gunslinger
Cail wrote:Didn't care for Alias one bit, and Lost simply sucks (sorry, had to be said). Having an incomprehensible program that slowly doles out plot information does not make one talented. MI:III was horrible, Armageddon speaks for itself (he wrote it), and Gone Fishin'.....What more needs to be said.

He's the flavor of the month who has nothing in his resume to support the love lavished upon him, much less suggest that he could tackle a franchise like Star Trek.

I think Lite beer is "less filling". While I doubt you think it "tastes great" (you strike me as a Guiness or perhaps Heineken man)...I'll bet you are tempted to say so! Heh.

Seriously, I don't like a lot of the crap oyu mentioned, but LOST is a fine show! Yes they have moved too slowly, but now that they have put a deadline on it with a definite end date...all will be well. The use of flashbacks and flash forwards in a serial (to say nothing of the interesting characters) ...is innovative and tells a great story.

Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:54 pm
by sindatur
In addition to what he is credited for, he also pow-wowed with Tim Kring of Heroes to tell him the plusses and minuses and what traps to be careful not to fall into before Heroes hit the air, so it seems JJ had a bit to do with Heroes format.

Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 3:04 pm
by Cail
I don't watch Heroes, so I can't comment.

I have watched Lost based on rave reviews and all the hype. I feel the same way about Lost as I do about Linkin Park. There's a sheen of depth and hardness, that upon closer examination reveals an utter lack of substance.

Look....Star Trek is hardly high art. It was a cheesy show that told some reasonably well-written allegorical stories set in space. Three third-rate actors managed to make Jim, Lenny, and Spock some of the best-loved characters in fiction. In spite of every iteration being <TOS, the franchise has endured, and I have no doubt that it'll survive Abrams' molestations as well.

But I'd much rather Star Trek just faded into pleasant memories.

Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 3:20 pm
by Edge
Personally, I'd rather they hired someone with talent.

And retconning is just evil.

EVIL, I say.

Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 3:55 pm
by danlo
I'd suggest Ridley Scott, but I'll don my bulletproof vest first as Cail appears to have woken up on the wrong side of the universe today. :hide: :P

Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 4:00 pm
by Cail
I'd love to see Scott give it a whirl. Hell, I'd love to see anyone give it a whirl that can direct characters.

Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 7:40 am
by Avatar
Edge wrote:And retconning is just evil.

EVIL, I say.
Amen brother!

--A

Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 10:53 am
by aTOMiC
Cail, I only have to look as far as some of your favorite sci fi films to know what you'd like out of a Star Trek reboot movie. That is to say it would need to be hellishly voilent and disturbing. I think the director you are looking for is David Lynch. I'm guessing he'd come up with a way of getting Spock to mind screw a victim until he bleeds from his nose and eyesockets and then his head would litterally split open and the two halves would cascade to the floor with high definition clarity and in glorious slow motion revealing the minute details of the man's inner brain matter.
It's really cool to imagine but it isn't Star Trek.
I'm one of those fools that continues to crave new adventures but was also annoyed at Voyager and Enterprise. I want to see more but I don't want to see crap. This new film has the chance to really set things up for a nice run of continuing stories and I'm excited about that. I also realize that there are those that find Star Trek in its true form boring, sterile and un realistic.
As Cail said recently in a different forum "Different Strokes". I say AMEN to that. :-)

Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 11:35 am
by Cail
Believe it or not, that's exactly what I don't want out of a Star Trek reboot.

For me, the strength of Star Trek was primarily in it's three leads, not the stories, not the gadgets, and not the action. That's why I liked ST:V so much, for all it's faults, it explored the relationship and the bond between Kirk, Spock, and McCoy. Looking at Abrams's filmography, I don't see anything that supports his ability to explore that properly.

But even more depressingly, I don't see anyone else who's been involved in the Trek universe over the last decade being able to capture that either. I've dutifully given the new series' a view, as well as the feature films, and they haven't lived up to the standard set 40 years ago, in storytelling or characterization.

I would love to see a successful reboot of the series, either on TV or in the movie theaters. Star Trek, for all it's faults, was an optimistic view of what the future could be like, and gave us characters that we knew and loved. Voyager, Enterprise, DS9, and to a lesser extent TNG all failed to reproduce that magic combination.

Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 11:43 am
by Loredoctor
Cail wrote:Didn't care for Alias one bit, and Lost simply sucks (sorry, had to be said). Having an incomprehensible program that slowly doles out plot information does not make one talented.
Lost works because the writers have no idea what they are doing when the fans make ad hoc interpretations. That is, the fans invent its 'brilliance' when there wasn't any to begin with.

Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 12:00 pm
by Cail
Loremaster wrote:
Cail wrote:Didn't care for Alias one bit, and Lost simply sucks (sorry, had to be said). Having an incomprehensible program that slowly doles out plot information does not make one talented.
Lost works because the writers have no idea what they are doing when the fans make ad hoc interpretations. That is, the fans invent its 'brilliance' when there wasn't any to begin with.
That is certainly my take on it, and it's not for lack of trying.

Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 12:14 pm
by aTOMiC
Cail wrote:Believe it or not, that's exactly what I don't want out of a Star Trek reboot.
Very well. I stand corrected.

As to your other comments Star Trek in it's later forms didn't capture the dynamics of the Kirk/Spock/McCoy relationship the same way that the Prequels of Star Wars didn't capture the core dynamic of Luke/Leia/Han etc. Those characters weren't re invented in other forms. In Star Trek's case (aside from the first 6 movies) the creative teams tried to do "Star Trek" without relying on the original series stereotype, to do things in a new way with other ideas. Well we've seen that sometimes that works and sometimes it doesn't. In the aforementioned Star Wars prequel films there wasn't anything close to Luke/Leia/Han. Jedi aren't fun. They don't really bitch and whine at each other and Padme and Anakin were just plain boring.
If I were restarting Star Trek and I wanted to at least attempt to have lighting strike twice I'd begin the way J.J. seems to be beginning. We'll see if dude can pull this off.

Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 12:28 pm
by Cail
I think they attempted to reproduce the K/S/M relationship in TNG with Picard/Riker/Crusher, and it just never gelled. But yeah, with DS9 and Voyager, that template was abandoned. The problem was, there weren't any other characters that I could relate to in the same way. I never warmed to Picard, Sisco, Janeway, or anyone else.

I'm pretty sure that there could have been a lost episode of K/S/M locked in a room together with nothing to do, and it would have still been great. I'm hard pressed to recall a single episode of Voyager that I'd call really good, much less great.

I will give Abrams credit that is is at least putting on the appearance of trying to do this reboot correctly, I'm just not convinced he can pull it off, especially given the ideas in the article quoted in the first post.

Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 1:02 pm
by sindatur
I think LOSt does indeed know what's it's doing and where it's going. The problem was that they didn't know how long they had to get there. now they have a contract for an end date, and a known number of episodes remaining, I think we'll see the show take a definite direction.

Enterprise S4 was actually really good IMHO storywise, as that was where Manny Coto took over, and started doing 2 and 3 part arcs that directly expanded on TOS stories.

To be honest, I think my favorite approach for a new Trek series right now would be a Mirror Universe one. that way, the entire universe could be turned upside down, and there would be no reason to reboot or worry about Canon. I doubt that would ever happen though, because that would make the Federation the bad guys

Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 1:05 pm
by Cail
See, I never made it that far with Enterprise.

Interesting idea with the Mirror Universe.