Kevin's Watch

If somebody has WGW handy.. What was the description of the new staff versus the old?
Plus any description of the original staff from any of the books.
(I believe the staff was a very dark wood with alot of runes.)

Now if Covenant wasn't intercepted by the Theomach, he would have taken Linden to the time and place when Damelon went to the Skyweir.

Why was Damelon going there? Was this a first visit or was he the first Lord to visit the place? Was it afterwards he placed the his door, sealing the inner chamber? or, (this is where the 1st staff comes in) He went there with the intend to bathe the Original Staff onto the Earthblood. Sorta like Linden did. (the wood changed hue when she placed in the Earthblood and uttered the power words.)

Now along with a number of things said about the second staff, by the Lands powers, I don't think the second staff is complete... yet.

So what is your take on this?

(Ur dead originally posted in this in DTL forum but it's such a good question I moved it over here.)

I think Damelon was definitely drawn to the Earthblood, how I don't know. We don't know that he was the first Lord there but I think it's safe to assume that he was. I think it's clear that he was the one that sealed Earthroot off from the outside world.

Well, it's certainly now possible that Damelon went to find Linden, or to see where she went. Or maybe the Theomach left some clues during his years with Berek.

Damelon might have followed the strong scent of Earthpower.

But what I think is most likely is that, as the lore that began with Berek grew, he came to the realization that Earthblood, or something like it, must exist somewhere, and then he set out to find it.

If he found it by accident, would that be so bad? Melenkurion Skyweir is certainly an interesting enough place to be worth exploring in its own right.

I seem to recall in FR that TC/Roger told Linden that Damelon went there soon after the earthquake at the mountain and discovered the earthblood. Now, since the earthquake happened perhaps some decades sooner than originally anticipated due to the battle, one would wonder if that is a big enough difference to cause a problem in time. Well, apparently it didn't cause all was normal once Linden was returned to her real time.

Yeah, after the earthquake created rivenrock Damelon went to check it out and created Damelon's Door.

Seppi2112 wrote:Yeah, after the earthquake created rivenrock Damelon went to check it out and created Damelon's Door.

Still, there had to be a delay of many years, because at the time that Linden came back to the present, Berek hadn't created the SoL or the Council of Lords, had not lived out his life and passed High Lordship to Damelon. So I think we're talking about several decades.

If you believe Roger there was a gap of about 500 years between Linden's visit to Berek and when Damelon set the door. I suppose the Theomach either told him or more likely left him something to guide him to the place at the proper time.

Since Linden dropped her coat in the cavern I wonder if it was later found by Damelon's entourage.

Enlighten you are.. YES!!

But there's another source for the Earthblood!!

Ur Dead wrote:

Now along with a number of things said about the second staff, by the Lands powers, I don't think the second staff is complete... yet.

So I wonder what would make it complete. It's already been elaborated by Wildwood with the runes. It has the metallic heels on both ends thanks to Vain. It's been blackened by Linden's desperate exertion of Earthpower with the Earthblood and the Seven Words...

This also makes me wonder how the original staff got all its runes. It must have been a forestal. Is it fair to assume that Wildwood elaborated that staff as well?

Good thread here.

I know this sounds crazy, but I almost think Linden's staff IS the first staff of law, that she goes back in time and gives it to Berek somehow.

Lady Revel wrote:

I know this sounds crazy, but I almost think Linden's staff IS the first staff of law, that she goes back in time and gives it to Berek somehow.

Whoa, you just blew my mind.

But it can't be, can it? Doesn't the Theomach take Berek to the One Tree where he extracts a limb from it to make the first staff? (Dang, Ur Dead was right. Someone who has the other books handy, see if you can find descriptions of the first staff. Was it black?) Or are we just led on to believe that?

Wow.

Rzm frzm frgn time travel books ....

I found it odd that CW would help finish Linden's staff at all. The forestals were never fond of the Lords ... nor of humans in general.

Maybe he recognized somehow that Linden had some cosmic role to play, that service to her was utterly necessary and crossed all bounds of enmity. But still ... what would he know about a Staff of Law, something that was made for the Lords? And why would he consider choosing that as a means of helping Linden?

earthbrah wrote:Lady Revel wrote:

I know this sounds crazy, but I almost think Linden's staff IS the first staff of law, that she goes back in time and gives it to Berek somehow.

Whoa, you just blew my mind.

But it can't be, can it? Doesn't the Theomach take Berek to the One Tree where he extracts a limb from it to make the first staff? (Dang, Ur Dead was right. Someone who has the other books handy, see if you can find descriptions of the first staff. Was it black?) Or are we just led on to believe that?

Wow.

I was thinking that is a possibility. If Roger was not intercepted by the Theomach then you have two like objects occuping the same time. What could that do to the Arch? Maybe that is why the Theomach did change the travel point.

Why didn't the croyel and Roger, once they were away from the Theomach decide to just jump 500 years ahead to their original planned point? Maybe they knew that the Theomach was correct and they may not have a way of escaping the destruction that might ensue.

A very plausible explanation about the Theomach's interference with Roger and the croyel. However, I don't think that they kept themselves from jumping another 500 years due to their reasoning that the Theomach was right. I mean, if he was, wouldn't that be exactly what they wanted--two staffs existing in the same time severely damaging the Arch? I'd more bet that Roger and croyel know that the Theomach is more powerful than both of them put together, and now that they know he is watching them they won't try it again (even though they start league jumping once they're "out of his sight").

A good point, Ur Dead.

There's something fishy about the whole thing.

Do you think the Theomach intended for Linden to meet the Forestal and have the staff engraved?

BTW, if Linden gives Berek a staff, then Berek would not need to go to the Isle of the One Tree. And can you conceive of her yielding the Staff before she has freed Jeremiah?

As for the Theomach, that's the hundred thousand dollar question, Krilly. How much of this did the Theomach machinate.

Assuredly he arranged for the Mahdoubt to be around. He made sure that Linden had the seven words so that she could repel if not defeat Roger. It's not beyond possibility that he made it possible to meet CW, at least.

All this flitting around in Time by the Theomach and Mahdoubt and who knows who else. Seems the Creater would have been more carefull with his creation than to allow such beings in his world and risk the Arch of Time and loosen Foul, et al.

Or perhaps the Insequent are the Creaters minions/cohorts of some sort, whether known or unknown by the Insequent themselves; just like TC and Linden are cohorts of a sort, though in a more supportive effort.

It occurred to me, too, that this could be the same Staff of Law.

Who says Berek *ever* went to the Isle of the One Tree? Maybe the Theomach put that story out to cover for the sudden appearance of the Staff. Just as he explained away Linden's presence in Kevin's camp by calling her an Unfettered One, thereby creating *that* tradition.

Think about it: Here we've been trying to figure out how Berek broke off a branch of the One Tree without rousing the Worm -- but maybe the answer is that he never did it; instead, the Theomach just made it up.

I would say that is a good possibility and bet that is what is going to transpire. But we need an explaination of the metal shods on either end. Those shods have had to come from somewhere or else this cycle time thing we are talking about means they would have always existed, with no beginning or end, and that is impossible (as if time travel isn't..but you know what I mean I hope). We saw where the wooden part came from..the One Tree...and the metal shods were what Vain put on himself when he ran to the room where they were placed once the "original" staff was destroyed. But we need a story line that explains the actual creation of the shods themselves, if you get my drift.