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SRD quotes from today's reading (more explosive news!)

Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2003 6:22 pm
by ringthane
Hi all,

I was at the reading today with Danlo and also had the privelege to hear from Chapter 5 of Runes of the Earth. I probably should post this in Danlo's thread, but I didnt' want to bury juicy news deeper in the thread. :)

Any specific quotes from SRD will be in quotation marks, otherwise I'm just giving you a summarazation of what he said.

When Stephen first arrived the first person he saw was GRRM. They chatted and talked shop. Very cool seeing my two favorite authors together in the same room.

Kudos to Danlo -- the man tooks notes NON STOP during the entire reading! He did yeoman's work for the board!

First, Stephen was on a writers panel from 1-2pm that discussed the art and science of naming characters. He mentioned many times that sound is very important in his writing, and that having a name 'sound' good is just as important to him as the meaning. He also mentioned that Kevin was named after a bratty kid that he knew (who happened to grow up to be a nice guy).

Nope, not dishing the juicy Runes of the Earth news yet. I'm building suspense. :)

A question was asked about how names are translated in foregin editions of novels, and Donaldson had two absolutely hilarious stories. He said that the first translation of the chronicles in France BOMBED. It turns out his brother-in-law reads french scifi/fantasy as a hobby and told him that the subtitle of the book was translated to "Chronicles of Thomas the Incredulous."

It gets better. Saltheart Foamfollower's name was translated into "Brainy the Pirate." The room absolutely broke out laughing over that one.

Ok, Runes of the Earth, I've tortured you too long.

Just to fill in a few points from Danlo's awesome post (I wont' rehash what he already said):

SRD said he enjoys readings but absolutely does not want to unveil crucial new information, so that's why he chose chapter 5.

Before reading the chapter, he gave a quick preface of a little bit of what happens before chapter 5. He mentioned that Joan had handed Roger over to the Despiser and I go the impression that's what caused his psychotic behavior.

Thanks to yours truly, I was able to pry the corruption of time theme from him based on my question. I said that as a reader, I saw the chronicles dealing with two different themes: the 1stC dealing with despair vs. hope and the second about corruption. That's where he talked about the manichaean nature of the 1stChron. He said for the 2ndChron he wanted to raise the stakes because "armies are a simple danger" and that they only needed to be countered with muscle. Dealing with the corruption of nature required a deeper, harder solution. He said that after that, it's kinda hard to raise the level again, so the only thing left for Foul would be the corruption of time itself.

This is where Stephen really started to give some good (but general) information. He alluded to writers revisiting their older series and ruining a good thing (he specifically mentioned Asimov's Foundation series). I may be reading between the lines, but I think he might've also been alluding to some writers simply doing it to cash in.

Thankfully, I didn't sense that at all from Stephen. He is definitely writing the Third Chronicles for the right reasons, not because of pressures from his agent or publishers. When I asked him about themes, this is where he mentioned the 3rd Chronicles would be about the corruption of time and that the chronicles were his "Sistine Chapel", with the 3rd Chronicles tying all three together. This is where he mentioned about parts going back in time into the "deep past." He said that the 3rd Chronicles are proving to be very complex with many interwoven threads, and this complexity has necessitated a few rewrites and will probably require another (which is why Runes of the Earth won't even be shopped to a publisher until Oct/Nov).

He mentioned that he spent a summer re-reading the two chronicles for preparation and notes. He said that he had only remembered the flaws of the books and was actually pleasantly surprised at the strengths. He even mentioned something to the effect of almost feeling intimidated and that wasn't sure he could top himself. He said that in the end he didn't want to turn it into a competition with himself.

I asked if he planned to write all four books at once for the sake of continuity or write the first, publish, write the second, publish, etc. He said that he would prefer to write them all at once but that it wasn't possible because of the nature of publishing. He mentioned that he had people also helping with continuity to keep details and facts straight among the Chronicles.

SRD also mentioned that the Gap Series had poor sales.

Bombshell:

A question was asked about a possibility of the series becoming a movie. He said that it was discussed years ago but nothing became of it.

He said that there is renewed interest that started a few months ago and it sounds like SRD think it's very possible that the chronicles would be optioned. As SRD pointed out, an option doesn't mean the movie will definitely be made, but that the studio is simply securing exclusive rights to the works. He also said that the more they option the story for, the more likely the chance of the movie being made.

I remember reading a quote from a writer (Hemingway IIRC) that said there's only one way to handle having your novel turned into a movie: take the money and run. There is no way to ever maintain any semblance of control or authority over the work, and this was exactly SRD's attitude. He said he would hate the movie anyway, even if it was good. He was offered to write the screenplay and have an executive producer title and turned them both down. He said that screenwriting is a totally different beast and that he wasn't an expert on it (I think he also may have hinted at screenwriting being boring because it's basically just dialog and camera angles).

He said that writing is solitary and the book is pretty much his baby, but that movies are "art by committee" and that he wouldn't be interested in that. He aslo discussed about how the chronicles deal with the interior emotional landscape of Covenant and the challenges of translating that to the movie screen since you can't get inside a character's head in a movie.

I'll post my general impressions of Runes of the Earth sometime tomorrow... I must now let the glory of Chapter 5 soak in. :D

Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2003 10:20 pm
by duchess of malfi
Thank you Ringthane! I can't even imagine what it would have been like to be in the same room as SRD and GRRM talking shop. 8O 8O 8O 8O

Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2003 10:23 pm
by CovenantJr
I like his attitude to the possibility of a film 8)

Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2003 11:44 pm
by Infelice
Thats awesome Ringthane and thanks.....But did you get any pics?? :)

Re: SRD quotes from today's reading (more explosive news!)

Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 1:19 am
by Fist and Faith
ringthane wrote:He mentioned that he spent a summer re-reading the two chronicles for preparation and notes. He said that he had only remembered the flaws of the books and was actually pleasantly surprised at the strengths.
ROFL!!!!

Hmm, I hadn't noticed any strengths.

Thank you VERY MUCH!! You and danlo are killing me!!!!!! (In a good way :) )

Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 2:49 am
by Furls Fire
WOW...thanks Ringthane!!!

this is going to be sooooooooooooooo hard....

and noooooooo movie..UGH!!!

Wish I could have been there!!!

*is soooooooooooooo jealous!*

Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 4:02 am
by ringthane
duchess of malfi wrote:Thank you Ringthane! I can't even imagine what it would have been like to be in the same room as SRD and GRRM talking shop. 8O 8O 8O 8O
Duchess, you don't know HOW HARD it was not to run over and start gushing like a rabid fanboy at them and start screaming OHMYFREAKINGGODILOVEYOUBOTHACNITAKEYOURPICTURESTOGETHER?!?!?!?!?

Instead, I behaved myself and simply watched like a good little boy. :)

Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 4:11 am
by ringthane
Infelice wrote:Thats awesome Ringthane and thanks.....But did you get any pics?? :)
Yep, but not nearly as many as I would've liked. I wanted to snap like a madman, actually, but I only got 3 or 4 pics, most from when he autographed my stuff. He's a very reserved guy, so I didn't want to go over the top with the picures during the reading (which would've been distracting, anyway).

UGH -- I just checked my pics and the pictures from the panel discussion didn't turn out. I do have the two pics from the autograph session though. I'll try to pos those this afternoon.

Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 4:51 am
by dukkha
I'm glad he's revisiting the first and second Chronicles and finding their strengths. It's so easy for an author to forget what works and concentrate on weaknesses; that so often tends to lead to weak novels.

Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 5:32 am
by Tulizar
Thanks for asking the right question Ringtahane! The Corruption of Time theme makes so much sense for the next chronicles. Sounds like SRD's spending alot of time in preparation. After reading your posts and Danlo's, I almost feel like I was there!!!

Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 6:58 am
by ringthane
Oh, a few more tidbits that came to me:

SRD/GRRM conversation: George said to Steve (all the other writers called him Steve, very cool) "so is it true you're doing a new Covenant book?" And SRD answers "it is, it is." Steve (ha ha, I can call him that now!) then explained that he really hasn't had any new ideas other than the third chronicles and that if he didn't write those he would've given up writing since there was nothing else to write (that comment only sounded half serious but still sounded like there was some truth to it). They also talked about SRD's daughter becoming a writer... I couldn't catch a lot of this conversation, but it sounded like she answered that she was writing SF/fantasy like her dad.

Writers panel: some guy asked SRD why he gave kevin such a simple name. This guy really laid it on, saying how that name seemed so out of place. SRD discussed it for a little bit, but after the guy kept hammering the point, SRD kinda kicked back in his chair, raised his eyebrows and passed the mic to another writer on the panel. It seemed like SRD wanted to say something back to the guy but was biting his tongue. When I asked my question to the panel, I prefaced it by saying 'by the way, Mr. Donaldson, I happen to like the name Kevin."

Reading: SRD is a Buffy The Vampire Slayer fan. There were lots of cheers from the room but a few people groaned like 'I can't believe Donaldson watches Buffy!"

SRD talked about reading for pleasure and books that he likes. Like me, he is a slow reader, so he said he has difficulty keeping up with the field. He did recommend one book and it's one that I picked up a few months ago when I heard that Donaldson loved it: Gardens Of The Moon by Steven Erikson.

I read somewhere else that Donaldson absolutely raved about this writer, so I ordered the book. This guy is only in print in the UK, so it takes awhile to ship (plus the fact that I had to spend @$!% $17 to get it). Donaldson even has a blurb on the front cover. :) After reading up on Erikson, it turns out that Donaldson was one of his major influences.

Just because you guys rock so hard, I'll even type up what SRD wrote about Erikson on the inside cover of Gardens of the Moon:

Steven Erikson is an extraordinary writer. I read Gardens of the Moon with great pleasure. And now that I have read it, I would be hard pressed to decide what I enjoyed more: the rich and ominously magical world of Malaz and Genabackis; the large cast of sympathetically-rendered characters; or the way the story accumulates to a climax that hits like machine-gun fire. My advice to anyone who might listen to me is, treat yourself to Gardens of the Moon. And my entirely selfish advice to Steven Erikson is, write faster.

I haven't read it yet but did catch the first few pages when the book arrived. Great stuff. I will warn you -- the book is huge, and people have said that it's very complex but worth the extra effort. FWIW, Erikson was an archaeologist and the worldbuilding and history in his series is supposedly stunning. From others I've spoken with, it's an epic 10 book series similar in style and tone to Donaldson/GRRM. And unlike that other slow moving epic by Jordan where absolutely NOTHING happens for an entire book, Erikson packs in a lot of story. If you can wait until next year, TOR is bringing his books out in the US in 2004. If you want to buy his UK version now, I put a link below:

Gardens Of The Moon

If anyone here on the board has read Erikson I'd love to hear your thoughts.

Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 7:35 am
by Fist and Faith
I really like the name Kevin for the character. It probably seemed odd to me at first, though not at all stupid. Just odd considering all other Land names. But the character and the name grew into each other perfectly.

Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 7:46 am
by Furls Fire
I always thought "Kevin" was an "un-Landish" name...but I also thought it needed to "stand out" because he was the Landwaster, so he needed a name that sounded "different" then the other Land names.

Wow, Ringthane, sounds like it was so awesome!! I'm going to look into that Erikson book. Wonder if libraries carry it...

I woulda told that guy to shut up....LOL!

Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 3:01 pm
by danlo
Furl, you're lucky you didn't see the fool who tried to give SRD his interpretations of the 1st and 2nd Chrons in the hallway after the reading. I don't know what ringthane thought, but I was ready to gag him w/a steamshovel!!! :-x

Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 3:22 pm
by Furls Fire
LOL Danlo! I can imagine... People like that really irk me. What did SRD do?? Did he say anything or just look at the loon??

Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 3:32 pm
by danlo
he smiled alot... :D

Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 3:33 pm
by Infelice
ringthane wrote: SRD is a Buffy The Vampire Slayer fan. There were lots of cheers from the room but a few people groaned like 'I can't believe Donaldson watches Buffy!"
The man exudes class. :)
ringthane wrote:SRD talked about reading for pleasure and books that he likes. Like me, he is a slow reader, so he said he has difficulty keeping up with the field.
Now I dont feel so bad. :roll:
ringthane wrote:He did recommend one book and it's one that I picked up a few months ago when I heard that Donaldson loved it: Gardens Of The Moon by Steven Erikson.
Great!!!! Another book to add to my "to read" list. I wont be able to fit them all in during this life time. :roll:

Thanks for the info Ringthane. You and Danlo would have to be two of the luckiest guys around. Really appreciate all the news....its awesome. :)

Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 3:36 pm
by ringthane
Furls Fire wrote:LOL Danlo! I can imagine... People like that really irk me. What did SRD do?? Did he say anything or just look at the loon??
I could tell that SRD was trying to make a quick exit and this guy is babbling about how his ex-girlfriend got him hooked on the series and how he thought the books were brooding and depressing (something SRD bristles at in interviews and in person).

Bristle is a good word for SRD. He's a nice guy, but he's not friendly, at least not with a convention full of 305 pound Star Trek fans that live in their mom's basement. He's quiet and reserved. I notice that some writers are very diplomatic/acquiescing when 'fans' say stupid things about their writing; with Steve, it's almost comical because you can sense the gritting of teeth. I felt like I could relate to him because I'm a bit of a misanthrope. :)

And yet during the reading, he was passionate and engaging. You can see he has a very strong sense of conviction and doesn't ride the fence.

Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 3:39 pm
by Furls Fire
He sounds so awesome, Ringthane! I always imagined him to be rather reserved. I really envy you and Danlo for getting to meet him. :) I would have loved to hear him read from the new book!

Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 3:44 pm
by Worm of Despite
ringthane wrote:a convention full of 305 pound Star Trek fans that live in their mom's basement.
Gotta love stereotypes! :twisted: So sweeping in their generalizations, and yet so true at the same time--brings a tear to my eye . . . :cry: Heh, you almost got me pinned down, except for the Star Trek thing . . . And I'm 320 pounds, but I work out, so it looks and feels more like 200-something (see my wrestling pic). Oh, and it's my grandparent's basement. :wink:

Poor old grandpa stays down here with me, too, being that it has the most space and a big screen TV. Ah, yes, 80 inches . . . *Drools*

Oh yeah, :R back to topic :R :bounce03: . . . Yep, sounds like SRD. I'd be diplomatic to a fan-boy were standing before their god. Gotta let them have their Holy Communion and all . . .