Kevin's Watch

Just a thought! Baby babbling - it's possible one of the Sandgorgon's names could be said.

What would happen?

Pete.

I think that when you say a sandgorgons name you have to know that that's what it is.

Sum sui generis
Vs

spoken like a true Raver Jenannum of course you'd be taking advantage of the natural lisp that babies have by cooing at them: "say numb, say numb, c'mon baby say numb".... "nom" then you runaway laughing bwhaha ha ha ha

As Variol Son said, I think there would have to be intent. Otherwise whenever "nom" comes up as part of a word, like in "nominate" chaos might ensue.

A name is only a name if you know that it is a name. Otherwise you would get some very interesting effects.

And that's why it's a good thing TC wasn't french.

Hmm, I did wonder about the fact that Nom's name is "name"...if that sentence isn't too confusing

lol, Dutchess... "And the NOMinations ar-ARRGH!!"

It would certainly make Oscar night more interesting

From a poor 80s horror movie "The Evil" :

"To speak the name of evil is to ask evil home"

CovenantJr wrote:It would certainly make Oscar night more interesting

Hahaha! *crash* *crunch* *urk*

nom........nom............nom..............nom.............I'm still alive because I was saying "name" in French

I can't remember the name of the haruchai who Kasreyn forced to say "Nom", but I doubt he knew the significance of the word at the time, and therefore would have had no 'intent' to summon the Sandgorgon.
Therefore, dead baby.

it was hergrom... i think... right? :s now i have a suspision that it was cail god damn you! my inevitable correctness is ruined!!!

No - you were right, it was Hergrom. If it had been Cail, he probably would'nt have survived till the last book. Hergrom ended up dead, because he said the name. Ceer ended up with a shattered leg because he tried to help Hergrom, but NOM wasn't allowed to kill Ceer, because of the nature of the Sandgorgons Doom. The Gorgons could only escape the vortex if their name was spoken, and then once they killed that unlucky soul, they were not allowed to harm anyone or anything else. They were immediately drawn back to the Doom. Ceer could have stood right next to Hergrom and done nothing, and he would have been fine. He was injured because he interfered.

Navarino wrote:I can't remember the name of the haruchai who Kasreyn forced to say "Nom", but I doubt he knew the significance of the word at the time, and therefore would have had no 'intent' to summon the Sandgorgon.
Therefore, dead baby.

But Hergrom knew that he was speaking the name of a sandgorgon and that that would summon the creature to punish him, because the Kemper told him so. A baby wouldn't understand that.

Sum sui generis
Vs

true that

Yeah Hergrom knew, I reckon.

Live baby.

I always found Hergrom's behavior in this scene to be a very interesting insight into the general character of the Haruchai. Through most of the Chrons, we are only ever exposed to Haruchai who do what they do because of a Vow they've taken. All of the Bloodguard, obviously, had the strictures of their Vow to act upon. The second Chrons Haruchai were much the same. They swore a Vow, and thus, their duty was very clear to them. We get very few, if any, other chances to see Haruchai acting outside the boundaries of a very specific set of duties. But in this one instance, we get another tiny glimpse into the Haruchai mind. Hergrom fisrt refused to say the name that would kill him. But when the life of an innocent woman was threatened, a woman who was not counted among the companions of the quest, a woman who was a servant to one who was obviously a threat to the company, and specifically to Hergrom himself, a woman who was not even of the Land, still he was willing to risk his life to protect an innocent.

Not that any of us ever doubted such would be the case if a like situation ever occured, but it was cool to see just such a situation played out. Hergrom died for Lady Alif as much as for any member of the company, because he saw her as an innocent, and he could not do otherwise. It never would have even crossed his mind to allow this woman to die to reduce danger to himself. The very definition of a hero. Hergrom of the Haruchai, HAIL!



*sigh* I think I got my point across, but that really was pretty garbled wasn't it? I have so much going on right now, all logical point-to point discourse has fled me.

Nah, very well said. I haven't thought about that in a long time.

Yes, Birdandbear, very well said. I also thought it was intruiging that the other Haruchai hadn't looked on Hergrom's death in anything other than "failure." That kind of blew me away!

birdandbear wrote:I always found Hergrom's behavior in this scene to be a very interesting insight into the general character of the Haruchai. Through most of the Chrons, we are only ever exposed to Haruchai who do what they do because of a Vow they've taken. All of the Bloodguard, obviously, had the strictures of their Vow to act upon. The second Chrons Haruchai were much the same. They swore a Vow, and thus, their duty was very clear to them. We get very few, if any, other chances to see Haruchai acting outside the boundaries of a very specific set of duties. But in this one instance, we get another tiny glimpse into the Haruchai mind. Hergrom fisrt refused to say the name that would kill him. But when the life of an innocent woman was threatened, a woman who was not counted among the companions of the quest, a woman who was a servant to one who was obviously a threat to the company, and specifically to Hergrom himself, a woman who was not even of the Land, still he was willing to risk his life to protect an innocent.

Not that any of us ever doubted such would be the case if a like situation ever occured, but it was cool to see just such a situation played out. Hergrom died for Lady Alif as much as for any member of the company, because he saw her as an innocent, and he could not do otherwise. It never would have even crossed his mind to allow this woman to die to reduce danger to himself. The very definition of a hero. Hergrom of the Haruchai, HAIL!

I found this worth repeating.