Kevin's Watch

I'm now at least 3/4 of the way through This Day All Gods Die, and I am faced with another glaring inconsistency in the text.

The reasons for the Amnion wanting to acquire Morn and Davies have shifted away from what they were originally. The Amnion wanted Morn so they could study methods for safely transferring human minds into Amnion bodies. They only wanted Davies in return for the force-growing, as part of the bargain they made with Nick. Now it seems they have a way to use Davies against humanity - somehow. The "Why" and "How" of it is never explained in the text. But he's really only a human who happens to be force-grown, and anyway this was a technique known to the Amnion before Davies was born. The glitch in this process involved the transferral of minds. The Amnion want to study the effects of zone implants on this process. There is no other reason for wanting Morn having to do with the antimutagenic drug, since that drug left her system long before.

Apart from that, I have no problems with the text. It was thrilling moment when I sensed that Angus's "apotheosis" was about to arrive, but I didn't know whether it would be an apotheosis, a melt-down, or an event with similar significance. Well, ok, I always knew it would be the first, but SRD has a way of writing that pulls me into the story in a way that suspends judgment.

Now I'm biting my fingernails with suspense wondering what will happen next

Worm, I'm going to have to ask you to keep your problems with the Gap in one thread. From now on, please post them in this thread rather then making new threads with your issues with the Gap books. Otherwise I will delete the threads and paste the posts into one thread myself, and that will make me angry.

Loremaster wrote:Worm, I'm going to have to ask you to keep your problems with the Gap in one thread. From now on, please post them in this thread rather then flooding the forum with new threads with your issues with the Gap books. Otherwise I will delete the threads and paste the posts into one thread myself, and that will make me angry.

Haha. I don't see any reason to post here anymore, so goodbye.

I'm just asking you not to keep creating a new thread each time you want to point out an error, is all. I have no issue at all if you if want to point out an error. In fact, I encourage such discussion.

Loremaster wrote:I'm just asking you not to keep creating a new thread each time you want to point out an error, is all. I have no issue at all if you if want to point out an error. In fact, I encourage such discussion.

I don't see the flooding you're referring to. I posted two threads about inconsistencies because I only found two. If there are more that I posted then they must have dropped off the end of the list because I don't see them.

It doesn't appear that anybody wants to discuss the present issue anyway because they've finally been convinced that there is a problem with continuity in the series.

kevinswatch.ihugny.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=17179

kevinswatch.ihugny.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=16810

kevinswatch.ihugny.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=16687 (not your criticisms, but on extension a criticism of the Gap - which I have no issue with).

Although hardly constitutes flooding of the forum, it does beg the question that perhaps you should, and others, limit criticism to one thread than create "another problem with the gap" (it is hardly needed - redundant). You are one of the most interesting and intelligent posters in the Gap, so keep up the great work.

My apology for the flooding comment (I will edit it).

Loremaster wrote:kevinswatch.ihugny.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=17179

kevinswatch.ihugny.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=16810

kevinswatch.ihugny.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=16687 (not your criticisms, but on extension a criticism of the Gap - which I have no issue with).

Although hardly constitutes flooding of the forum, it does beg the question that perhaps you should, and others, limit criticism to one thread than create "another problem with the gap" (it is hardly needed - redundant). You are one of the most interesting and intelligent posters in the Gap, so keep up the great work.

My apology for the flooding comment (I will edit it).

Thanks. I'm not here trying to make you, SRD, and this forum look bad, but where I hail from on the net the flooding charge is a very serious one, so either I had to leave this forum or stick around and argue with the mod - the latter is not my cup of tea actually. That's just not what I'm here for.

Just one thing I've been curious about: is your avatar a picture of you, or someone you aspire to be like, or a favorite actor, or...

TheWormoftheWorld'sEnd wrote:Just one thing I've been curious about: is your avatar a picture of you, or someone you aspire to be like, or a favorite actor, or...

It's Colin Firth from Pride & Prejudice - a BBC period drama (one of my favourite television series based off one of my favourite books). Mr Darcy, you could say, is someone I aspire to be like. I am a 19th century figure at heart, and people around me - or close friends refer to me as the Gentleman. In many ways, Firth's character resonates with me. I'm not British - unfortunately, I am Australian.

No hard feelings, and please post as much you please - and as much criticism as you want.

Loremaster wrote:

TheWormoftheWorld'sEnd wrote:Just one thing I've been curious about: is your avatar a picture of you, or someone you aspire to be like, or a favorite actor, or...

It's Colin Firth from Pride & Prejudice - a BBC period drama (one of my favourite television series based off one of my favourite books). Mr Darcy, you could say, is someone I aspire to be like. I am a 19th century figure at heart, and people around me - or close friends refer to me as the Gentleman. In many ways, Firth's character resonates with me. I'm not British - unfortunately, I am Australian.

No hard feelings, and please post as much you please - and as much criticism as you want.

Flooding? FLOODING?¿?!¿*@*&#¥*&%&$$&*%

Yes, you always struck me as the gentlemanly type around here. That's why I wondered if that was actually you in your avatar.

But I do recognize that guy now that you mention it, even though it's been years since I've seen the show, and even then I saw it only in bits and dregs...

TheWormoftheWorld'sEnd wrote:

Loremaster wrote:

TheWormoftheWorld'sEnd wrote:Just one thing I've been curious about: is your avatar a picture of you, or someone you aspire to be like, or a favorite actor, or...

It's Colin Firth from Pride & Prejudice - a BBC period drama (one of my favourite television series based off one of my favourite books). Mr Darcy, you could say, is someone I aspire to be like. I am a 19th century figure at heart, and people around me - or close friends refer to me as the Gentleman. In many ways, Firth's character resonates with me. I'm not British - unfortunately, I am Australian.

No hard feelings, and please post as much you please - and as much criticism as you want.

Flooding? FLOODING?¿?!¿*@*&#¥*&%&$$&*%

TheWormoftheWorld'sEnd wrote:Yes, you always struck me as the gentlemanly type around here. That's why I wondered if that was actually you in your avatar.

Thanks, Worm.

And thanks for reinvigorating the gap forum. This forum has really improved.

Loremaster wrote:

TheWormoftheWorld'sEnd wrote:

Loremaster wrote: It's Colin Firth from Pride & Prejudice - a BBC period drama (one of my favourite television series based off one of my favourite books). Mr Darcy, you could say, is someone I aspire to be like. I am a 19th century figure at heart, and people around me - or close friends refer to me as the Gentleman. In many ways, Firth's character resonates with me. I'm not British - unfortunately, I am Australian.

No hard feelings, and please post as much you please - and as much criticism as you want.

Flooding? FLOODING?¿?!¿*@*&#¥*&%&$$&*%

TheWormoftheWorld'sEnd wrote:Yes, you always struck me as the gentlemanly type around here. That's why I wondered if that was actually you in your avatar.

Thanks, Worm.

And thanks for reinvigorating the gap forum. This forum has really improved.

You're welcome. But nobody seems to want to discuss the present issue. Maybe somebody's already asked about it on the GI...

TheWormoftheWorld'sEnd wrote:I'm now at least 3/4 of the way through This Day All Gods Die, and I am faced with another glaring inconsistency in the text.

The reasons for the Amnion wanting to acquire Morn and Davies have shifted away from what they were originally. The Amnion wanted Morn so they could study methods for safely transferring human minds into Amnion bodies. They only wanted Davies in return for the force-growing, as part of the bargain they made with Nick. Now it seems they have a way to use Davies against humanity - somehow. The "Why" and "How" of it is never explained in the text. But he's really only a human who happens to be force-grown, and anyway this was a technique known to the Amnion before Davies was born. The glitch in this process involved the transferral of minds. The Amnion want to study the effects of zone implants on this process. There is no other reason for wanting Morn having to do with the antimutagenic drug, since that drug left her system long before.

Apart from that, I have no problems with the text. It was thrilling moment when I sensed that Angus's "apotheosis" was about to arrive, but I didn't know whether it would be an apotheosis, a melt-down, or an event with similar significance. Well, ok, I always knew it would be the first, but SRD has a way of writing that pulls me into the story in a way that suspends judgment.

Now I'm biting my fingernails with suspense wondering what will happen next

To explain it all is not so easy--I blame SRD. I'll cover old ground to get to the point.

First, the Amnion agreed to force grow Morn's baby in exchange for a giving Nick the mutagenic drug, which Nick was immune to due to the anti-mutagenic drug he took in advance. But this issue became moot because Morn didn't lose her mind during the process and Davies development offered them an opportunity to create human Amnion better than Marc Vestibule. Call it the Amnion's human-kaze project. This never changed. What changed was who the Amnion had to deal with to get him.

They didn't want Morn at first, just Davies, because they knew Morn was under the influence of the zone implant (which is how Nick found out). Later, as recompense for the breaking of their deal with Nick that should have netted them Davies, and her part in it, they accepted Morn. That she didn't mutate kept them interested in her, and one could suppose they made the connection between her and Nick. As you said, the passage of time made her less important since the drug would pass from her system.

Their interest in Morn by TDAGD has little actual worth to them, but she has thwarted them (criminal to them) enough times that they want her controlled. You'll find, if you haven't already, that their desire to have her is not so strong.

I don't know if this answers your concerns. I didn't see this as an inconsistency in the text, but rather the result of priorities shifting due to events as they happened.

ItisWritten wrote:

TheWormoftheWorld'sEnd wrote:I'm now at least 3/4 of the way through This Day All Gods Die, and I am faced with another glaring inconsistency in the text.

The reasons for the Amnion wanting to acquire Morn and Davies have shifted away from what they were originally. The Amnion wanted Morn so they could study methods for safely transferring human minds into Amnion bodies. They only wanted Davies in return for the force-growing, as part of the bargain they made with Nick. Now it seems they have a way to use Davies against humanity - somehow. The "Why" and "How" of it is never explained in the text. But he's really only a human who happens to be force-grown, and anyway this was a technique known to the Amnion before Davies was born. The glitch in this process involved the transferral of minds. The Amnion want to study the effects of zone implants on this process. There is no other reason for wanting Morn having to do with the antimutagenic drug, since that drug left her system long before.

To explain it all is not so easy--I blame SRD. I'll cover old ground to get to the point.

First, the Amnion agreed to force grow Morn's baby in exchange for a giving Nick the mutagenic drug, which Nick was immune to due to the anti-mutagenic drug he took in advance. But this issue became moot because Morn didn't lose her mind during the process and Davies development offered them an opportunity to create human Amnion better than Marc Vestibule. Call it the Amnion's human-kaze project. This never changed. What changed was who the Amnion had to deal with to get him.

They didn't want Morn at first, just Davies, because they knew Morn was under the influence of the zone implant (which is how Nick found out). Later, as recompense for the breaking of their deal with Nick that should have netted them Davies, and her part in it, they accepted Morn. That she didn't mutate kept them interested in her, and one could suppose they made the connection between her and Nick. As you said, the passage of time made her less important since the drug would pass from her system.

The Amnion were not actually bargaining to give Nick a mutagen, as your version goes. This was part of an earlier bargain from before Morn and Nick met. They were interested in obtaining a blood sample from Nick in order to find out why he was still human. But the text of Forbidden Knowledge agrees with you concerning their interest in acquiring Davies, and later, Morn.

ItisWritten wrote:[Their interest in Morn by TDAGD has little actual worth to them, but she has thwarted them (criminal to them) enough times that they want her controlled. You'll find, if you haven't already, that their desire to have her is not so strong.

I don't know if this answers your concerns. I didn't see this as an inconsistency in the text, but rather the result of priorities shifting due to events as they happened.

Yes, the inconsistency has now vanished for some reason...

TheWormoftheWorld'sEnd wrote:The Amnion were not actually bargaining to give Nick a mutagen, as your version goes. This was part of an earlier bargain from before Morn and Nick met. They were interested in obtaining a blood sample from Nick in order to find out why he was still human.

That's right. I couldn't quite remember the tune, but I kept the beat.