Kevin's Watch

just finished donaldsons outtake from the illearth war about the lords hyrem and shetra and thier fateful journey to coercri. i thought it was interesting and it reminds you that the lords had some power of thier own. when you read the books it seems like the power that the lords had is somewhat overshadowed by covenants reluctant use of his white ring. it was a refreshing read.

heya 24hoursago,

you're right, the white gold and the evil powers of machination that Lord Foul employs do tend to overshadow the abilities of the Lords to manipulate Earthpower.
Gilden-Fire does show Lords Shetra and Hyrim as characters who through desperation find they have more facility with their powers than they may have suspected.
The chapters Runnick's Tale and Tull's Tale in the Illearth War further expand upon this; Lord Hyrim taps reserves of ability barely hinted at as the situation of the company becomes more and more dire.

Of course during the Illearth War in general we seem to see the 'new' Lords at the peak of their powers; the creation of Revelwood and the healing of Trothguard attest to their expanding prowess (largely made possible by their attainment of both the Staff of Law and Kevin's 2nd ward).
Mhoram, Elena and Callindrill in particular appear to wield potent powers through their staffs and knowledge of Law in SRD's 2nd book of the chronicles. As does Lord Verement, as he is driven to the edge of despair.

In conclusion, the 'new' Lords were pretty bad-ass - but that was never going to be enough against the Gray Slayer !

It eventually got to the point where the Lords were more powerful then their staves could handle, after Mhoram discovered the secret to unlocking the full potential of the old Lords power.

I sometimes wonder why none of the Council of the Old Lords staves survived the RoD since Revelstone wasn't destroyed. Seems a bit shortsighted on Kevin's part to leave the Krill locked away in a secret room but not throw in a staff or two for the new Lords.

Darkdenubis wrote: I sometimes wonder why none of the Council of the Old Lords staves survived the RoD since Revelstone wasn't destroyed. Seems a bit shortsighted on Kevin's part to leave the Krill locked away in a secret room but not throw in a staff or two for the new Lords.

The Old Lords (and their staffs) were wiped out under Mt Thunder (or there abouts).
Why would he "toss a few in"?
If the New Lords didn't take the Oath of Peace their staffs would have had the same potency or strength of any Old Lord's once the Wards were learned.

Plus we don't know what the effects of the RoD were.
Perhaps nothing organic (Lords staffs included) survived in Revelstone.

I also get the feeling that each staff was created uniquely for each Lord... maybe even created by that person during their Lordship training. I don't think this is ever stated in the books, and probably is one of those things that SRD didn't need for his story; but it just seems to fit the way things are done in the Land. A Staff isn't just any piece of wood. It's used as an expression of an individual's devotion to the service of the Land, as we see that the new Staff of Law is an expression of Linden, and it makes sense that each staff would be created by it's user.

The first Staff of Law is likely an exception. Created by the Lord-Fatherer, it embodies a deeper commitment and greater power than an "ordinary" staff. Similarly, the Krill seems to be a special case, as it was formed for a specific purpose.

Or, maybe they're all just made at the Wal-mart Staff outlet factory near Morinmoss...

Relayer wrote:I also get the feeling that each staff was created uniquely for each Lord... maybe even created by that person during their Lordship training. I don't think this is ever stated in the books, and probably is one of those things that SRD didn't need for his story; but it just seems to fit the way things are done in the Land. A Staff isn't just any piece of wood. It's used as an expression of an individual's devotion to the service of the Land, as we see that the new Staff of Law is an expression of Linden, and it makes sense that each staff would be created by it's user.

The first Staff of Law is likely an exception. Created by the Lord-Fatherer, it embodies a deeper commitment and greater power than an "ordinary" staff. Similarly, the Krill seems to be a special case, as it was formed for a specific purpose.

Or, maybe they're all just made at the Wal-mart Staff outlet factory near Morinmoss...

Mhorams staff after LFB was his fathers, he mastered it after the Quest for the Staff of Law was completed.

Relayer wrote:I also get the feeling that each staff was created uniquely for each Lord... maybe even created by that person during their Lordship training. I don't think this is ever stated in the books, and probably is one of those things that SRD didn't need for his story; but it just seems to fit the way things are done in the Land. A Staff isn't just any piece of wood. It's used as an expression of an individual's devotion to the service of the Land, as we see that the new Staff of Law is an expression of Linden, and it makes sense that each staff would be created by it's user.

The first Staff of Law is likely an exception. Created by the Lord-Fatherer, it embodies a deeper commitment and greater power than an "ordinary" staff. Similarly, the Krill seems to be a special case, as it was formed for a specific purpose.

Or, maybe they're all just made at the Wal-mart Staff outlet factory near Morinmoss...

You must be thinking of Staffs R us right between the Aliantha Juice Bar and the new Pitchbrew Diamondraught distillery.

that makes sense to me about each lord forming their own staff, the closest ive heard of a staff being created was when Hyrim described people joking about how his staff was warped during its creation... apparently staffs do not get passed down unless requested, Mhoram replaced his own staff with his mother or fathers didnt he? He offered Tamaranthas staff to tc since he used it in the battle of soaring woodhelven. and when tc refused he burned the staff in the remaining char of SWH... I could be wrong I forget but If Mhoram took his fathers staff what did he do with his own/old staff?

The nerve of that Mhoram! The guy goes thru what, one staff per book? Jeez.

Actually, thanks for the clarifications. I'd forgotten about that part in LFB.