Kevin's Watch

In TIW Hile Troy claims to have been summonded from Covenant's world. Evidence of this we have is the death of Atiaran as a result of his summoning (she summonded him from somewhere right?), his speech which resembles the speech of any character from the "real" world (curses, knowledge of lepers, ect). Anything else I left out? However, when Covenant returns to the "real" world in TPTP, he tries to hunt down Troy to no avail. The military he claimed to work for says he doesnt exist. Donaldson doesn't address this point again and Covenant never confronts Troy as a Forestal. So do you think its a loose end Donaldson forgot to tie up or could Troy possibly not be from Covenant's world?

I think it's intentionally carrying on the "is it real or not?" question...the people TC calls might be telling the truth, or lying, either answer is a piece of 'proof' about the reality...but SRD intentionally gave Troy a job that NO ONE is going to admit, unless the asker has "need to know" and very high security clearances. [And somebody with Troy's special and exceptional abilities would be wanted...badly...in just the kind of job he claimed].

Bureaucracy being what it is, did Covenant even call the correct department?

Yes for a Pentagon warrior there would also be more "need to know" security involved, but there is also just the possibility he called the wrong department.

Like if HT said he worked for the FDA, Covenant might have gotten the same reply, just due to the complexity of the organization.

Yes. I've always thought that was a good way of maintaining the ambiguity. TC only made one call; it's very doubtful someone such as Troy would be that easily accessible.

The other biggest piece of evidence is that he had sunglasses. I wonder how he first explained them to the people of the Land. And what did they experience when (if) they put them on?

Relayer wrote:I wonder how he first explained them to the people of the Land.

"When you get up in the morning and the light is hurt your head ..."

of course.

Also, do not forget the time difference between the 'Real World' and the

Land. I forget precisely what the difference is, however, could it be possible

that no one was aware that Hile Troy's apartment was burnt down, let alone

that he was missing, presumed dead

wayfriend wrote:

Relayer wrote:I wonder how he first explained them to the people of the Land.

"When you get up in the morning and the light is hurt your head ..."

LOL.

"b-but Elena! These are Ray-Bans!"
" 'Ray-Ban' ?" These words are unfamiliar to me. But they do not sound kind."

Nice, Relayer.

Bear in mind that Troy also utters an entire sentence of military jargon from the "real" world when telling Covenant about his origins.

Troy had also had Covenant's book read to him, and knew that it was a best seller and had been made into a movie.

So if The Land is not a dream then Troy must be from Covenant's world.

DrPaul wrote:Bear in mind that Troy also utters an entire sentence of military jargon from the "real" world when telling Covenant about his origins.

But if the Land is a dream, then the military jargon would be just another product of Covenant's imagination. Or something that he subliminally picked up while watching war movies...

Solar wrote:

DrPaul wrote:Bear in mind that Troy also utters an entire sentence of military jargon from the "real" world when telling Covenant about his origins.

But if the Land is a dream, then the military jargon would be just another product of Covenant's imagination. Or something that he subliminally picked up while watching war movies...

Exactly. That's how the ambiguity is maintained...TC could neither prove nor disprove Troy's existence in the real world.

DrPaul wrote:Bear in mind that Troy also utters an entire sentence of military jargon from the "real" world when telling Covenant about his origins.

This is academic since if Troy is not from 'the real world' then we can assume him to be a figment of TC's imagination who would neccessarily be furnished with the same amount of military jargon in his head that TC had himself - baggage he could easily have picked up as a writter of stories.

Sorry Solar and Vraith - should have read the thread to the end befor sticking my big nose in!