Kevin's Watch

From The Wizard of Oz movie script-

GLINDA
You don't need to be helped any longer.
You've always had the power to go back to
Kansas.

DOROTHY
I have?

SCARECROW
Then why didn't you tell her before?

GLINDA
Because she wouldn't have believed me. She
had to learn it for herself.

What?? Dorothy had a ring?

Relayer wrote:What?? Dorothy had a ring?

Surely you realize the phrase "you are the white gold" signifies more than a mere token on someone's ring finger.

Yep. Just messin' with ya.

"You are the Ruby Slippers"

Relayer wrote:Yep. Just messin' with ya.

"You are the Ruby Slippers"

It's just another Oz parallel with the Chrons. (I've only read the first Oz book and seen the original movie a zillion times.) Both stories occur in a dream (although the book version of Oz was not a dream), both dreams occur in a fantasy realm, both dreams include a good vs. evil theme, both dreams involve the bearing of magic tokens - and most importantly I think, both dreams came with a lesson or two to be learned before the fundamental conflicts could be resolved.

Dorothy wasn't ready to use her shoes until she acquired epic vision and defeated the Wicked Witch of the West.

wayfriend wrote:Dorothy wasn't ready to use her shoes until she acquired epic vision and defeated the Wicked Witch of the West.

Basically. The parallel I'm seeing is more along the lines that Dorothy had to learn that there's "no place like home," while Covenant had to learn to like himself.

From Epic Fantasy:

Despite his own sick, stupid, painful, rejected, alienated existence, he learns to accept his life, affirm his spirit - to acknowledge the value of the things he loves and believes in, the things that seduce him, the epic vision.

So let me get this right, Dorothy from The wizard of Oz has leprosy

No. But getting sucked up in a tornado is a metaphor for helplessness, is it not?

TheWormoftheWorld'sEnd wrote:From The Wizard of Oz movie script-

GLINDA
You don't need to be helped any longer.
You've always had the power to go back to
Kansas.

DOROTHY
I have?

SCARECROW
Then why didn't you tell her before?

GLINDA
Because she wouldn't have believed me. She
had to learn it for herself.

I'll tell you why Glinda didn't tell Dorothy straight away, the Witch wanted Dorothy to kill enemy for her.

Seriously...think about it. Glinda put the shoes on Dorothy's feet and rubbed it in the Witch of the West's face ("The shoes are right there, and there they'll stay"; "Watch out or a house might fall on you too"). Glinda set the whole thing up. And the whole time, she's smiling and acting all innocent and Girly ("Hehe, no silly, only bad Witches are ugly").

And do you think it was merely a coincidence that Glinda sent Dorothy to the Wizard, who in turn told her she had to get the Witch's broom in order to be granted her wish? Conspiracy to commit murder if you ask me. I never understood why all the other kids thought Glinda was such a Good Witch?

sindatur wrote:

TheWormoftheWorld'sEnd wrote:From The Wizard of Oz movie script-

GLINDA
You don't need to be helped any longer.
You've always had the power to go back to
Kansas.

DOROTHY
I have?

SCARECROW
Then why didn't you tell her before?

GLINDA
Because she wouldn't have believed me. She
had to learn it for herself.

I'll tell you why Glinda didn't tell Dorothy straight away, the Witch wanted Dorothy to kill enemy for her.

Yet another parallel. The Creator wanted Covenant to kill his enemy for him.

sindatur wrote:Seriously...think about it. Glinda put the shoes on Dorothy's feet and rubbed it in the Witch of the West's face ("The shoes are right there, and there they'll stay"; "Watch out or a house might fall on you too"). Glinda set the whole thing up. And the whole time, she's smiling and acting all innocent and Girly ("Hehe, no silly, only bad Witches are ugly").

And do you think it was merely a coincidence that Glinda sent Dorothy to the Wizard, who in turn told her she had to get the Witch's broom in order to be granted her wish? Conspiracy to commit murder if you ask me. I never understood why all the other kids thought Glinda was such a Good Witch?

That's just "the necessity of freedom." Dorothy had to learn on her own or she wouldn't have learned at all.

sindatur wrote:I'll tell you why Glinda didn't tell Dorothy straight away, the Witch wanted Dorothy to kill enemy for her.

Seriously...think about it. Glinda put the shoes on Dorothy's feet and rubbed it in the Witch of the West's face ("The shoes are right there, and there they'll stay"; "Watch out or a house might fall on you too"). Glinda set the whole thing up. And the whole time, she's smiling and acting all innocent and Girly ("Hehe, no silly, only bad Witches are ugly").

And do you think it was merely a coincidence that Glinda sent Dorothy to the Wizard, who in turn told her she had to get the Witch's broom in order to be granted her wish? Conspiracy to commit murder if you ask me. I never understood why all the other kids thought Glinda was such a Good Witch?

Maybe that's being a little harsh on Glinda. Next you'll be telling us there's no Santa Clause

Dorothy was running away from home, after all.
The Wizard helped her some by making her feel guilty about Aunt Em

Then in Oz maybe Glinda put her on the right path to help her find friends.
This kinda parallels the Creator giving TC help without breaking the rules.

mmm...what the Creator's help might be I'm not too sure...maybe the lightning bolt that hit TC's ring?

Krazy Kat wrote:

sindatur wrote:I'll tell you why Glinda didn't tell Dorothy straight away, the Witch wanted Dorothy to kill enemy for her.

Seriously...think about it. Glinda put the shoes on Dorothy's feet and rubbed it in the Witch of the West's face ("The shoes are right there, and there they'll stay"; "Watch out or a house might fall on you too"). Glinda set the whole thing up. And the whole time, she's smiling and acting all innocent and Girly ("Hehe, no silly, only bad Witches are ugly").

And do you think it was merely a coincidence that Glinda sent Dorothy to the Wizard, who in turn told her she had to get the Witch's broom in order to be granted her wish? Conspiracy to commit murder if you ask me. I never understood why all the other kids thought Glinda was such a Good Witch?

Maybe that's being a little harsh on Glinda. Next you'll be telling us there's no Santa Clause

Dorothy was running away from home, after all.
The Wizard helped her some by making her feel guilty about Aunt Em

Then in Oz maybe Glinda put her on the right path to help her find friends.
This kinda parallels the Creator giving TC help without breaking the rules.

mmm...what the Creator's help might be I'm not too sure...maybe the lightning bolt that hit TC's ring?

I always thought that the lightning was a blast of wild magic from the ring, not something hitting the ring from the outside. Right after, the storm ended. Remember, Covenant was new to the Land and had no idea what wild magic was, so naturally he wouldn´t think his ring had the capability of controlling the weather. He wanted the storm to end, so out of frustration he pounded his right hand into the earth, wild magic erupted which sent him flying down the hill, and the storm ended.

I always thought that the lightning was a blast of wild magic from the ring, not something hitting the ring from the outside. Right after, the storm ended. Remember, Covenant was new to the Land and had no idea what wild magic was, so naturally he wouldn´t think his ring had the capability of controlling the weather. He wanted the storm to end, so out of frustration he pounded his right hand into the earth, wild magic erupted which sent him flying down the hill, and the storm ended.

That's how I saw it too.