Kevin's Watch

So the book ends with the sun failing to rise and the stars winking out.

Can we take this to mean that the Worm has already devoured all the Elohim (and if so, thank the Creator for that! ) since it is moving on to other things? Or are the sun and stars linked to the Elohim? I'd tend to think not, given the Elohim's description as "earthpower incarnate."

There is a link between stars and Elohim, in the creation stories. [though it requires aspects of 2, maybe 3, different stories being connected, if I'm remembering correctly.] And before it came to rest, the Worm ate stars.
It certainly seems to imply that all, or most of the Elohim are gone [some may be in Jerry's bone box...but that's still uncertain, wasn't explicit.] and the Worm has turned towards the Land. Like the sun, the Isles [one tree and Elemesnedene] are to the east.

The Elohim are the 'appetizers' - the Earthblood is the 'main course'

The Worm is supposed to exist physically on the Earth. It's been seen in TOT. If so, and was still sleeping in the direction of where the Isle of the One Tree once was, then I'd say Vraith has a pretty good point about why the sun is not rising.

I also recall that when the Worm was disturbed in TOT, stars filled the chamber in the Isle. I believe that's what took part of Vain's arm, and ultimately what Seadreamer died to put an end to.

The Worm is related to the stars somehow, whether or not he physically devours them.

It hasnt eaten all the Elohim; because Kassy is still around.

Unless Kassy is too spicy for the weak tongued Worm to eat? Someone get this giant creature of death and destruction a glass of milk - he can't take his hot sauce.

Heh. Maybe Kassy would make the Worm gassy....

The concept of a flatulent Worm lends itself to whole new lines of speculation about SRD's intentions.

Lurch may find that tantalizing...but I do not believe it for a second.

edit: Ali, I just noticed the rhyme you did. Let us all hope DPJ is not reading the AATE threads!

OMG, apocalyptic Worm flatulence...

I think I'm gonna hurl!

maybe thats how Foul finally gets finished - he catches a full blow gaseous bomb from the Worm's behind - he gets blown out the cosmos. i wander if kassy speaks in a Mexican voice.

I don't think the stars and even the sun are "disappearing".
Wasn't it mentioned that there is a massive haze coming in from the West that was blocking the stars and then the sun?
I thought it indicated the destruction caused to the Earth by the Worm.

High Lord Tolkien wrote:I don't think the stars and even the sun are "disappearing".
Wasn't it mentioned that there is a massive haze coming in from the West that was blocking the stars and then the sun?
I thought it indicated the destruction caused to the Earth by the Worm.

I believe (somewhat conjectural, but I thought about this while I was reading the book) that the "haze" was not physical, not dust or anything like that. The "haze" was simply the blue color leeching out of the sky because the sunlight that goes into creating the sky's color was diminishing.

The sun is, in any cosmos, simply another star, and in this case, Worm food.

TheWormoftheWorld'sEnd wrote:

The sun is, in any cosmos, simply another star, and in this case, Worm food.

Woah, is it possible that the Worm is somehow consuming sunlight, and thereby the sun?

If the Worm has already consumed the sun, then it's pretty darned close to the Earth. Why would a being that's homing in on Earthblood start with the sun, and then work out to the stars? I begin to think the disappearance of the sun is due to something else.

I think all of the Elohim are in the Bone Construct. I believe they will be freed at the end of the last dark. I think they will end up being protected in the construct from the worm and will be freed after covenant saves the Land.

Since SWMNBN is now awake, I wonder if Kevins dirt is now increased to a point where it blocks part of the sun and the light from stars.

wryberg1 wrote:I think all of the Elohim are in the Bone Construct. I believe they will be freed at the end of the last dark. I think they will end up being protected in the construct from the worm and will be freed after covenant saves the Land.

I think the Elohim...at least some of them..will be saved...but if I read another post correctly, SRD said the Elohim aren't trapped yet. [ in Columbus conversation].
I'm pretty sure you're right Ali...the Worm isn't eating sun/stars yet, but have only weak speculations on why/how Worm and sun/star things are connected right this moment in the book. [pretty similar to HLT's].

But that is a very interesting idea SB, that SHE's wakefulness increased the scope of the Dirt...not sure I buy it, but definitely hmmmm worthy.

wryberg1 wrote:I think all of the Elohim are in the Bone Construct.

But the bone construct disintegrated while Jeremiah's mind was freed. So there is no more bone construct.

I thought I remembered in the original description of The Worm, that it gorged on the cosmos leaving individual stars in the sky. That the stars were music and that each Elohim was a representation of the each stars song.

It would follow that as an Elohim is eaten a star disappears.

madship wrote:I thought I remembered in the original description of The Worm, that it gorged on the cosmos leaving individual stars in the sky. That the stars were music and that each Elohim was a representation of the each stars song.

It would follow that as an Elohim is eaten a star disappears.

Hmmm, that makes sense. A lot of sense.

madship wrote:I thought I remembered in the original description of The Worm, that it gorged on the cosmos leaving individual stars in the sky. That the stars were music and that each Elohim was a representation of the each stars song.

It would follow that as an Elohim is eaten a star disappears.

I love it... you've just given me an excuse to re-read the 2nd chrons