Kevin's Watch

in the begining of lord fouls bane a boy hands covenant a paper from the old man. as you guys know it basically reads as a spoiler for the first two series as it ends with "and does not defend himself when he is attacked by the champion of the other world."

if my assumption is correct on this, does this mean that at that point the creator did not think the battle between foul and tc would go past the white gold wielder? if im interpreting this wrong dont be too cruel to me

Well, at that point, the creator didn't think it would even go beyond TPTP, since SRD had not imagined it going beyond there.

Fist and Faith wrote:Well, at that point, the creator didn't think it would even go beyond TPTP, since SRD had not imagined it going beyond there.

regardless of whether donaldson had intended tptp being the end, it still is something that the creator said. even if srd hadnt planned it, doesnt this part make the creator seemed quite short sighted considering everything that happens in the long run?

dont get me wrong, im a huge fan of the series. i just have always wondered what other people thought of this

illender wrote:

Fist and Faith wrote:Well, at that point, the creator didn't think it would even go beyond TPTP, since SRD had not imagined it going beyond there.

regardless of whether donaldson had intended tptp being the end, it still is something that the creator said. even if srd hadnt planned it, doesnt this part make the creator seemed quite short sighted considering everything that happens in the long run?

dont get me wrong, im a huge fan of the series. i just have always wondered what other people thought of this

If memory serves, the incident doesn't provide an answer...it poses a question...and questions always lead to more questions.

Vraith wrote:

illender wrote:

Fist and Faith wrote:Well, at that point, the creator didn't think it would even go beyond TPTP, since SRD had not imagined it going beyond there.

regardless of whether donaldson had intended tptp being the end, it still is something that the creator said. even if srd hadnt planned it, doesnt this part make the creator seemed quite short sighted considering everything that happens in the long run?

dont get me wrong, im a huge fan of the series. i just have always wondered what other people thought of this

If memory serves, the incident doesn't provide an answer...it poses a question...and questions always lead to more questions.

On re-reading the note I don't think it goes past TPTP, no hint of the Land in dire straits as in 2 chrons.
...but what I realy wanted to ask...
Vraith, do you always answer a question with a question? (or a statemant implying a question, (near enough!))

I did answer the question, the answer was that the paper wasn't an answer, it was a question that leads to questions, not answers.
Does that answer the question?

3rd warrior on the left wrote:

Vraith wrote:

illender wrote: regardless of whether donaldson had intended tptp being the end, it still is something that the creator said. even if srd hadnt planned it, doesnt this part make the creator seemed quite short sighted considering everything that happens in the long run?

dont get me wrong, im a huge fan of the series. i just have always wondered what other people thought of this

If memory serves, the incident doesn't provide an answer...it poses a question...and questions always lead to more questions.

On re-reading the note I don't think it goes past TPTP, no hint of the Land in dire straits as in 2 chrons.
...but what I realy wanted to ask...
Vraith, do you always answer a question with a question? (or a statemant implying a question, (near enough!))

but isnt it fortelling the ending of white gold wielder? anyways, if he was fortelling the battle between tc and foul perhaps the creator couldnt see far enough ahead to know about the things happening in the third chronicals? i guess im looking into it too much, its just that it kinda puts the creator in a different light to me

illender wrote:

3rd warrior on the left wrote:

Vraith wrote: If memory serves, the incident doesn't provide an answer...it poses a question...and questions always lead to more questions.

On re-reading the note I don't think it goes past TPTP, no hint of the Land in dire straits as in 2 chrons.
...but what I realy wanted to ask...
Vraith, do you always answer a question with a question? (or a statemant implying a question, (near enough!))

but isnt it fortelling the ending of white gold wielder? anyways, if he was fortelling the battle between tc and foul perhaps the creator couldnt see far enough ahead to know about the things happening in the third chronicals? i guess im looking into it too much, its just that it kinda puts the creator in a different light to me

The Creator knew TC could sav or damn Land, he didn't know which, and left TC free to choose. That means there could've been two (or more) outcomes, which could drive things beyond that in 1000 different directions, it doesn't make sense for the Creator to discuss all the possibilities beyond the outcome of the 1st Chronicles, IMHO.

illender wrote:
but isnt it fortelling the ending of white gold wielder? anyways, if he was fortelling the battle between tc and foul perhaps the creator couldnt see far enough ahead to know about the things happening in the third chronicals? i guess im looking into it too much, its just that it kinda puts the creator in a different light to me

I don't think you're looking too much, because it's a concept that is explored throughout the Chron's [though it morphs/evolves]. In a technical sense, it says nothing about WGW, cuz SRD didn't know he was gonna ever write WGW.
In education, that note is what we call an "anticipatory set." It isn't informational about the thing/work that's going to be studied, but a compass bearing towards what is going to be studied.

Keep in mind that the note also says more than "doesn't defend himself". It's also coupled with the idea that this someone doesn't do so because he doesn't believe the world exists, and is apathetic. From this viewpoint, it only presents one consequence to the Chronicles scenario, one that isn't enacted at the end of TPTP (where Covenant does defend himself) or WGW where Covenant doesn't fight back in order to fight back and defend, not out of apathy.

Also, the paper deals mostly with this issue of "unbelief" and holding on to it as the means, ends, answer to everything. This issue is resolved in the first chronicles (as far as TC and SRD are concerned, if not for the readers )

Damn - can't even remember the incident! Not a good sign for someone who has read the Chrons (all of them bar the last series) a good ten times.