Kevin's Watch

Just thinking, at the end of the Narnia books, Narnia was destroyed by "Father Time" who extinguished all the stars including the Sun .... a bit like the Worm eating the stars in the Land!

The main characters of Narnia also died in their real existence (train crash I believe) just like Linden etc being shot just before translating to the Land.

Aslan eventually led everyone in 'old Narnia' to the original one where they all lived happily ever after!!

Wonder if the Creator will lead everyone from the 'old' corrupt Land to a place where there are no Illearth Stones, Lord Foul etc?

Will a talking lion save TC, Linden et al?? Stay tuned!!

The Lion in Narnia represented Jesus. Who represents Jesus in the Chrons?

VAIN!!!

danlo wrote: VAIN!!!

I suppose you could build a small cross with him.

TheWormoftheWorld'sEnd wrote:

danlo wrote: VAIN!!!

I suppose you could build a small cross with him.

Hehehe

TheWormoftheWorld'sEnd wrote:The Lion in Narnia represented Jesus. Who represents Jesus in the Chrons?

How about TC?

Through his sins he redeemed the Land....

Seeker of Truth wrote:

TheWormoftheWorld'sEnd wrote:The Lion in Narnia represented Jesus. Who represents Jesus in the Chrons?

How about TC?

Through his sins he redeemed the Land....

Well... yes. And Vain is the angel Gabriel, Joan is the Virgin Mary, Linden is Mary Magdelene...

Well.. What's with this 'old narnia / new narnia' stuff?

Everyone died in Narnia, and those who saw Aslan and were unafraid went to heaven, and those that were afraid did not go to heaven.

I am not quite sure if things will be so simple the The Last Dark..

ninjaboy wrote:Well.. What's with this 'old narnia / new narnia' stuff?

Everyone died in Narnia, and those who saw Aslan and were unafraid went to heaven, and those that were afraid did not go to heaven.

I am not quite sure if things will be so simple the The Last Dark..

Nothing is. But you all have lost me with this Narnia talk. I read the series once and have completely forgotten the whole thing. I'm not saying it was bad, just highly forgettable.

TheWormoftheWorld'sEnd wrote:

ninjaboy wrote:Well.. What's with this 'old narnia / new narnia' stuff?

Everyone died in Narnia, and those who saw Aslan and were unafraid went to heaven, and those that were afraid did not go to heaven.

I am not quite sure if things will be so simple the The Last Dark..

Nothing is. But you all have lost me with this Narnia talk. I read the series once and have completely forgotten the whole thing. I'm not saying it was bad, just highly forgettable.

I wish I could forget it... then I might enjoy a re-read...

A New Land??
Or possibly a New Earth??

Perhaps one with a New Creator...or Creators.

Seeker of Truth wrote:

TheWormoftheWorld'sEnd wrote:The Lion in Narnia represented Jesus. Who represents Jesus in the Chrons?

How about TC?

Through his sins he redeemed the Land....

Covenant represents a "second coming" (Berek Halfhand)
Covenant represents also, Christ's healing of lepers.
Christ is also wounded and has his hands mutilated.
And surely, Covenant is a "Doubting Thomas" too!
Other characters are significantly christlike too-- "the Pure One" (Foamfollower)
Linden "cast out devils" in that she was possessed by a Raver and cast him out.
Honninscrave likewise, for taking a raver within himself and allowing himself to be sacrificed.
Also, if you want to compare spiritual mythologies there are norse elements too-- The worm at the world's end lying dormant at the one tree (Ygdrassil, and the midgaurd serpent)
An elements of Islam (the Mirage of Mohammed is paralleled by Cable Seadreamer) and the Haruchai's strict ethic of self discipline).

Lord Zombiac wrote:

Seeker of Truth wrote:

TheWormoftheWorld'sEnd wrote:The Lion in Narnia represented Jesus. Who represents Jesus in the Chrons?

How about TC?

Through his sins he redeemed the Land....

Covenant represents a "second coming" (Berek Halfhand)
Covenant represents also, Christ's healing of lepers.
Christ is also wounded and has his hands mutilated.
And surely, Covenant is a "Doubting Thomas" too!
Other characters are significantly christlike too-- "the Pure One" (Foamfollower)
Linden "cast out devils" in that she was possessed by a Raver and cast him out.
Honninscrave likewise, for taking a raver within himself and allowing himself to be sacrificed.
Also, if you want to compare spiritual mythologies there are norse elements too-- The worm at the world's end lying dormant at the one tree (Ygdrassil, and the midgaurd serpent)
An elements of Islam (the Mirage of Mohammed is paralleled by Cable Seadreamer) and the Haruchai's strict ethic of self discipline).

That's some great stuff. I don't think the last is strictly with Islam, however. I would have thought Buddhism.

It is like Buddism, but the word "Muslim" means "those who submit."
The Haruchai, were indeed submissive. They took a vow and practiced rigorous self denial in order to serve a greater cause.

Lord Zombiac wrote:It is like Buddism, but the word "Muslim" means "those who submit."
The Haruchai, were indeed submissive. They took a vow and practiced rigorous self denial in order to serve a greater cause.

All religion requires submission.

Yes indeed.

Oh, no, please...don't make me start arguing again that the important thing is not how things are generally "the same," all the important stuff is how, specifically and intentionally, they are different? And that that's why Narnia is readable when you're young and don't know what it's about, [or entertaining if you intentionally ignore the allegory] but blows chunks otherwise?
And that's why the Forestals are nothing like those stupid walking LOTR tree critters?

Vraith wrote:Oh, no, please...don't make me start arguing again that the important thing is not how things are generally "the same," all the important stuff is how, specifically and intentionally, they are different? And that that's why Narnia is readable when you're young and don't know what it's about, [or entertaining if you intentionally ignore the allegory] but blows chunks otherwise?

It'd be damn hard to intentionally ignore such a blatant allegory as Narnia - about as difficult as trying to build a house of cards while a posse of clowns were slapping you around the face with wet fish and pouring custard down your trousers.

From the above you've probably garnered that I think C.S. Lewis let his desire to deliver his religious message intrude just a leetle too much into the Narnia books - although I'll grant that it was obviously massively important to him to do so and no doubt the primary motivation for him writing Narnia in the first place.

I've not gone back to them since I was a child (when I liked them) and don't want to, because I'm sure I'd be irritated by a re-read.

His Ransom Cycle books (out of the silent planet & c.) are every bit as laboured in allegorical terms.

Vraith wrote:And that's why the Forestals are nothing like those stupid walking LOTR tree critters?

Thank God for that, but no thanks at all for the image in my head that I'm now trying to dismiss of Caerroil Wildwood wandering around Garrotting Deep going "Hoom hrrm hrrm" with birds nesting in his hair.

I actually like the Chronicles of Narnia. It's allegorical children's literature where the author has the temerity to kill all the main characters. It's pretty impressive to me.

But having said that, I don't see the 'Narnia' ending as an option. Sure there is every chance the 'Land's world' will be destroyed, and everyone from the 'real' world is dead, and everyone in the 'world of the Land' will be dead, but even if that comes to pass I doubt that the conclusion of that would be the good go to Heaven and the bad go to Hell..
The Land may be remade (perhaps in the style of the Neverending Story) if it is destroyed..
And somewhere Linden is going to find an answer to the Forestal's question..

ninjaboy wrote:I actually like the Chronicles of Narnia. It's allegorical children's literature where the author has the temerity to kill all the main characters. It's pretty impressive to me.

But having said that, I don't see the 'Narnia' ending as an option. Sure there is every chance the 'Land's world' will be destroyed, and everyone from the 'real' world is dead, and everyone in the 'world of the Land' will be dead, but even if that comes to pass I doubt that the conclusion of that would be the good go to Heaven and the bad go to Hell..
The Land may be remade (perhaps in the style of the Neverending Story) if it is destroyed..
And somewhere Linden is going to find an answer to the Forestal's question..

The Neverending Story. Someone finally hit upon where I got the idea of Linden riding the Worm.