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In the landscapes of Heorot (image heavy)

Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 8:41 pm
by Frostheart Grueburn
(Moved and reposted from Corishev, since that forum seems entirely dead and nobody's likely to spare this a even quarter a glance. Plus this may be more of a travel story type of post.)


At a first glance, especially when it's raining sideways and the wind is ripping the sparse trees around the fields, the quiet, rural village of Lejre, Denmark, feels like one of those forgotten holes where one might picture a waterlogged crow shivering on the top of a lopsided fencepost as the only sign of life.

Yet the site sports a magnificent history, both according to Nordic legends and recent archeological findings. Here, myths shake hands with facts: Ruins indicating at the yesteryear existence of several lavish wooden halls, dating to approximately 500-1000 CE, have been excavated on the homestead of the legendary Skjöldung/Scylding lineage.

What might be so intriguing about a few musty rocks and names containing those annoying dots above perfectly fine letters, ready to roll off and trip one's tongue at the first chance? Hleiðargarðr, which can be modernized to Lejre Gård, served for instance as the high seat of, depending on the language and spelling, King Hroðulf or Hrólfr Kraki or King Hroðgar. The last variant can be spotted on the pages of Beowulf as the builder of the mead hall Heorot. Archeological studies have proven that quite a few such legends base themselves on actual historic evidence; after all, Ingólfur Arnarson's farm was found in Reykjavik, and Unto Salo speculates that he came across King Kaukamoinen's (Faravid of Kvenland from the saga of Egill Skallagrímsson) grave upon Köyliönsaari. Omitting the folkloric aspects, historians have dated the major events of Beowulf back to the 6th century, partially thanks to the very accurate depictions of Vendel arms like ringswords, burial customs, et cetera.

During the 6th century, the hugest high hall of the era built upon the entirety of Denmark (and certainly one of the most imposing around the Baltic Sea) sat in Lejre, and several history researchers believe that the oldest specimen near Fredshøj could well have been the original Heorot. The building did not stand there for very long, however: the settlement was moved some 500m south to Mysselhøjgård around 650 CE. Whether it was nightly ravaged by a ravenous man-eating monster or not, or if dragons truly inhabited Sweden, stay unverified. ;)

As opposed to Beowulf's seemingly christian aspect, the ancient Lejre folk certainly worshiped old Norse gods rather than anything Semitic. The halls were situated near stone altars (hörgar), one of the Viking graves nearby contained a human sacrifice of a male slave accompanying his possibly aristocratic mistress to the otherworlds, and the various pieces of jewelry excavated around the area consisted entirely of Norse motives, like Mjölnirs and a tiny silver statue of Óðinn. Personally, I don't recall seeing any christian influence in the exhibitions of Vendel age discoveries in Stockholm or Uppsala either (not sure about Sutton Hoo, however).

Regrettably could not access the actual Fredshøj site, what with it being infested by cows and electric fences, but here are photos from the general area. Honestly, I got also tired of gingerly trying to wriggle through these microscopic, shabby gates some friendly farmers had opened up for hikers. I'm a skinny little runt, but even so, they were often a tight fit, and one becomes wary of even so much brushing at the wires, lest they get zapped by an unhealthy doze of volts.

A "gate" for hikers with electric current running in the wires. Safety boards galore. :| (Yes I slinked through that. Had to toss my heavy-ish backpack over first.)

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The halls themselves stood c. 50m long each, which is not a laughable measure even by modern standards.
Ignore my bloody shadows.

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The outlines of the halls proved tricksy to capture. Denmark spreads out as flat as a trodden-on pancake, and nobody had provided even with a handy rock to stand upon. Unfortunately I cannot sprout wings and just fly over the buggers with my camera a-clicking.

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This one felt quite creepy on the inside. The outline actually consists of two high halls, the oldest of which dates back to 650 CE (perhaps the direct successor of the abandoned Fredshøj).

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A scale model reconstruction of 'the eldritch-feeling hall' on display in the Lejre museum. The same method of building was utilized throughout the Vendel and Viking ages, so Heorot itself would have appeared much alike. The walls were commonly painted with bright colors.

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The Óðinn of Lejre, now lounging in the Roskilde Museum.

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Beowulf landscapes:

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A handy swamp for Grendel's mom to lurk in.

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Some moos gathered to moon/stare at the intruder in black. Though, appears that one is sniffing at weeds.

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The Mysselhøj barrow fancies its dose of drama.

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Info about a princely burial near the river. Only a small elevation remains of the barrow these days.

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A view from the top of Grydehöj (sorry, the image is pretty bad, got dark at that point and higher ISO levels just cause that annoying noise):

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Read more about the Lejre halls and their recent studies (in English):

www.roskildemuseum.dk/Files/Filer/VORES ... _SKN33.pdf

Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 9:01 pm
by Iolanthe
I saw it in Corishev Frostheart. Good pictures. Haven't had time yet to read all the words though. Are we talking wooden causeway? We have a good one near here, Flag Fen, went to see it last year.

Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 9:13 pm
by Frostheart Grueburn
:) Not causeways but aristocratic buildings; didn't realize the term 'meadhall' or 'high hall' was unknown for some. There are some pictures of scale models and reconstructions in the middle. Heorot served also as major inspiration for Tolkien when he created Rohan's Meduseld.

Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 9:19 pm
by Iolanthe
Ah. Maybe one of my ancestors lived in one of those. I have ancestors called Ulf, but I suspect they were servants who took his name rather than relatives. :D

Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 11:33 pm
by Obi-Wan Nihilo
I always wondered where the ancestors used to swill mead and pester damsels.

Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:53 am
by Frostheart Grueburn
Arr, 'viking' means 'pirate', so of course they pined for mead and wenches!

Io, how far can you trace your ancestry? Ulf is still a fairly common name in, for instance, Sweden. :D

Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:02 am
by Iolanthe
My Ulphs are in Norfolk, and I've only got back to the 1720s I think. Someone is doing a one-name study of Ulphs so I've left it to him now to concentrate on my own on-name study. Two of my great grandmothers were sisters - both Ulphs! Also there are places in Norfolk called somthing Ulph - Burnham Ulph for instance. The surname could also have come from the places. York Minster has the "horn of Ulph" - I've seen it.

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Apparently it is 11th century.

Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 12:08 pm
by Frostheart Grueburn
The horn of Ulph is most likely the very Horn of Tenure given to York Minster by the Viking nobleman Ulph, who resided in Yorkshire before the reign of Edward the Confessor; thus the Horn of Ulph cannot be dated later than the first half of the eleventh century.
That's pretty cool, especially if you happen to share common ancestry through some yet unknown bloodline. 8) Unfortunately don't know much about British surname traditions; Norsemen used (name)-ing to denote someone's clan, the Baltic Finns (name)-nen, besides the whole -dottir/-son suffix.

And, behold, more Tolkien sources. :lol: The horn's also called the Oliphant of Ulph.

I haven't stumbled across any fancy ancestry--did one of those mtDNA tests once, though, and the haplogroup points to Southern Russia or Slovakian forebears. Cumbersome to tell from what time, however, since that strain's apparently some 44000 years old. I can always dream it might include some cave royalty wearing carved stone crowns. :P

Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 12:21 pm
by Tefazipipo
Those photographs are wonderful. Thank you for posting.

Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 12:36 pm
by Iolanthe
There is a lot of DNA testing going on amongst the people studying a single surname, but I haven't gone as far as that myself.

I know next to nothing about surnaming in the Nordic countries, but UK surnames can be put into about 5 categories:

Patronymic Robinson (son of Robin) etc. which I know is common in your part of the world.

Geographic - named after a hamlet, town, city etc.

Topographical - like Underhill (lived under a hill) but that is much too simplistic - it gets very complicated with the old saxon names for things.

Occupational - Fletcher, Smith, Mercer etc.

Nickname - we have a lovely one in Lincolnshire - Splayfoot, often diluted to Playfoot. Desribes some particular thing about a person.

Then there are the foundlings - I came across a woman whose surname was Porch - she was found abandoned in a church porch!

I haven't found any fancy ancestry either. I can however claim a body snatcher! A certain Ephraim Ulph, brother of my direct ancestor, was arrested for sending body parts to London by coach for the use of medical research. He didn't last long in prison, died when he was 25. This was in the early 1800s.

Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 4:01 pm
by deer of the dawn
Wonderful pictures. The landscape could be upstate New York or Vermont-- minus the barrow-downs and the mead halls. :D I'm proud of myself for immediately remembering who Heorot was. Are the outlines actually something found there, or are they marked with turves or something?

Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:39 pm
by Obi-Wan Nihilo
My surname is Viking, meaning Old Norse derivation traceable to the Viking era. It originates with a Viking warlord that led an army of Danes.

The funny thing is, there are statues of this person in various places here and there and they all resemble my father.

Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:50 pm
by Iolanthe
Ah! Eystein the Noisy perhaps? Swein Forkbeard? Erik Bloodaxe? No, I'm not taking the mickey, but the proof would be pretty hard to find. :D

Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:34 pm
by Obi-Wan Nihilo
It's distinctive enough to erase all doubts.

Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 11:06 pm
by Lefdmae Deemalr Effaeldm
Awesome photos, Frostheart! Thank you for sharing)
Don Exnihilote wrote:My surname is Viking, meaning Old Norse derivation traceable to the Viking era. It originates with a Viking warlord that led an army of Danes.

The funny thing is, there are statues of this person in various places here and there and they all resemble my father.
Cool :) You can feel yourself so close to those ancient stories)

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 5:34 pm
by Frostheart Grueburn
Thanks guys, glad you liked the photos, even if shot in unkind weather. ;)

deer of the dawn wrote:who Heorot was.
:D
Heorot, the Courageous Meadhall
Defends the Danes against a monster tall... ♫♪
deer of the dawn wrote:Are the outlines actually something found there, or are they marked with turves or something?
Crap I forgot to translate the Danish text (have no time to do so in its entirety now, though). My head apparently follows the logic "I can read it, so arguably everyone else can too." altogether too often these days. :roll:

"Of the large wooden constructs only the decomposed remains of pillars and walls were left, and during the excavations they appeared as dark patches in the ground."

So, outlines marked with turf cubes.


Iolanthe wrote:Ah! Eystein the Noisy perhaps? Swein Forkbeard? Erik Bloodaxe? No, I'm not taking the mickey, but the proof would be pretty hard to find. :D
I'm voting for Eystein Glumra. ;) "Víkingr" can also refer to "someone who lives at a bay", which also lives in the Finnish language as "rantalainen", meaning, depending on the context, "a smuggler, crook, pirate". :biggrin:

Iolanthe wrote: I know next to nothing about surnaming in the Nordic countries, but UK surnames can be put into about 5 categories:
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I haven't found any fancy ancestry either. I can however claim a body snatcher! A certain Ephraim Ulph, brother of my direct ancestor, was arrested for sending body parts to London by coach for the use of medical research. He didn't last long in prison, died when he was 25. This was in the early 1800s.
That's pretty interesting--we had the trade and location type of naming in use as well. A fair deal of the pre-crusades historical naming traditions have regrettably fallen into obscurity thanks to a lack of written sources.

Heh, one in my family does ancestry research--omitting existing eccentricities, have to inquire about juicy stories sometimes. :D A body snatcher certainly is something!

Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 3:50 pm
by Obi-Wan Nihilo
Frostheart wrote:
Iolanthe wrote:Ah! Eystein the Noisy perhaps? Swein Forkbeard? Erik Bloodaxe? No, I'm not taking the mickey, but the proof would be pretty hard to find. :D
I'm voting for Eystein Glumra. ;) "Víkingr" can also refer to "someone who lives at a bay", which also lives in the Finnish language as "rantalainen", meaning, depending on the context, "a smuggler, crook, pirate". :biggrin:
Hrolf the Ganger

Would you consider the English Channel a bay? ;)