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So who is going to marry Linden and Covenant?

Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:47 am
by High Lord Tolkien
So who is going to marry Linden and Covenant?
As soon as that happens they are both rightful wielders of their respective white gold rings.

Re: So who is going to marry Linden and Covenant?

Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:56 am
by Orlion
High Lord Tolkien wrote:So who is going to marry Linden and Covenant?
As soon as that happens they are both rightful wielders of their respective white gold rings.
It'll be at the beginning of time. Everyone will be there, form the least Wraith to the snottiest Elohim. Mhoram will officiate with Saltheart Foamfollower as best man and Hollian will be the maid of honor.

Foul, of course, will not have received his invitation and will swear to bring down time in retaliation for being snubbed.

Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 2:35 am
by Romeo
And the reception will be at The Restaurant at the End of the Universe? :-)

Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 2:40 am
by Orlion
Romeo wrote:And the reception will be at The Restaurant at the End of the Universe? :-)
But if they arrive after the Worm does, there won't be any food left :P

Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 3:32 am
by High Lord Tolkien
Best Man will be Foamfollower,
Maid of Honor...?

Re: So who is going to marry Linden and Covenant?

Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 6:47 am
by dlbpharmd
High Lord Tolkien wrote:So who is going to marry Linden and Covenant?
As soon as that happens they are both rightful wielders of their respective white gold rings.
Tongue-in-cheek nature of the responses aside, I can't imagine any sequence of events that would make Covenant and Linden rightful wielders. The ring that Linden bears belongs to Lord Foul. I believe that Roger, as Joan's heir, is the rightful wielder of her ring.

Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 7:17 am
by Frostheart Grueburn
High Lord Tolkien wrote:Best Man will be Foamfollower,
Maid of Honor...?
I first caught this haphazardly from the corner of the lens and somehow read it as "maid of honor .. Foamfollower". D:
Now I have a mental image of him in a pink, frilly dress, and cannot get this blasphemy out of my skull. :sob:

Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 6:44 pm
by RaverRats
In the chapter 3 preview Covenant says "Maybe I'm not the rightful wielder of "this" ring, but I can still use it". The "this" is in italics, which leads me to believe that Covenant is still considered, or can somehow become the rightful wielder of the ring Linden bears.

Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 7:42 pm
by dlbpharmd
RaverRats wrote:In the chapter 3 preview Covenant says "Maybe I'm not the rightful wielder of "this" ring, but I can still use it". The "this" is in italics, which leads me to believe that Covenant is still considered, or can somehow become the rightful wielder of the ring Linden bears.
I agree that the text can lead to that sort of conclusion, but it doesn't make any sense to me. TC gave the ring to LF at the end of WGW; LF hasn't given it back.

Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 8:32 pm
by Savor Dam
Yes, Covenant did place the ring in Foul's hand at the climax of WGW. Foul then killed him and completely expended himself as he tried to use wild magic to bring down the Arch while the shade of Covenant passively opposed him.

When Foul's presence gutted out, the ring rolled away...and Covenant very clearly (albeit gently) told Linden to Pick Up the Ring. What she then accomplished with it certainly appears to be the act of a rightful wielder.

dlb, you asked me a week or so ago why I felt the last line of WGW was a cliffhanger, and I have owed you an answer. This seems like an appropriate moment. Perhaps "cliffhanger" is not really the best term for what I meant, but having Linden resume her consciousness in the "real world" with the ring in her hand was of tremendous significance...and to make that disclosure in the closing words of the story certainly cried out for there to be more tale to tell.

Thus, the Last Chronicles, thirty years late.

Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 8:38 pm
by RaverRats
Anyway, to answer the post's question: Mahrtiir kind of looks priestly on the cover of Last Dark. He's got a kind of ceremonial presence about himself. He can marry them in Andelain with the Wraith's blessing the service.

Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 9:22 pm
by Akasri
I was under the impression that by telling Linden to pick up the ring, he "gave" it to her. He couldn't do that physically as he was a shade by then. But he gave her possession of it.

In doing that, she becomes a rightful wielder, allowing her to extinguish the sunbane and make the new Staff, but does that necessarily prevent TC from using the ring ever again?

Does he cease to be a rightful wielder by giving up the ring to someone else?

And yes, the fact that Linden has the ring upon her return to the "real world" is significant I think.

Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 9:24 pm
by Krilly
More importantly... Where's the bachelor party? Are the merewives coming?

Re: So who is going to marry Linden and Covenant?

Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 3:28 am
by High Lord Tolkien
dlbpharmd wrote:
High Lord Tolkien wrote:So who is going to marry Linden and Covenant?
As soon as that happens they are both rightful wielders of their respective white gold rings.
Tongue-in-cheek nature of the responses aside, I can't imagine any sequence of events that would make Covenant and Linden rightful wielders. The ring that Linden bears belongs to Lord Foul. I believe that Roger, as Joan's heir, is the rightful wielder of her ring.
I didn't expect the joking either.

Foul essentially died at the end of WGW or Linden wouldn't have been returned to "normal".
And TC told Linden to take it.

TC is Joan's husband.
Everything of hers goes to him.

So they both have a good claim to each ring.
A marriage between the two would make them rightful owners.

It's been pointed out a few time that ownership is important.

Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 4:51 am
by Frostheart Grueburn
Krilly wrote:More importantly... Where's the bachelor party? Are the merewives coming?
And are the Gianthomish Hunks performing in the girls' party? :p

Re: So who is going to marry Linden and Covenant?

Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 4:53 am
by Orlion
High Lord Tolkien wrote:
dlbpharmd wrote:
High Lord Tolkien wrote:So who is going to marry Linden and Covenant?
As soon as that happens they are both rightful wielders of their respective white gold rings.
Tongue-in-cheek nature of the responses aside, I can't imagine any sequence of events that would make Covenant and Linden rightful wielders. The ring that Linden bears belongs to Lord Foul. I believe that Roger, as Joan's heir, is the rightful wielder of her ring.
I didn't expect the joking either.

Foul essentially died at the end of WGW or Linden wouldn't have been returned to "normal".
And TC told Linden to take it.
Time to bring out the nuke.
SRD wrote:And I further concede that Covenant wanted Linden to claim his ring at the end of WGW. However she did it (unconsciously, one assumes), she was acting in accordance with his wishes. Or at least with his tacit approval.

But the brute fact is that Covenant *gave* the ring to Lord Foul. That made LF the "rightful" wielder of that ring. So he later dropped it. So Linden picked it up. So what? The point is that she *took* it. It wasn't *given* to her. It wasn't even *surrendered* to her.

And Covenant certainly didn't *marry* her with it. That's an important distinction, even if its import is more symbolic than literal.

(12/09/2010)
TC is Joan's husband.
Everything of hers goes to him.
Joan divorced TC before the beginning of Lord Foul's Bane. If anything, everything would go to Roger.

Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 12:29 pm
by dlbpharmd
Thanks, Orlion. I tried to search for that gem from the GI yesterday, but ran out of time.

Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 2:45 pm
by thranathiril
High Lord Tolkien wrote:Best Man will be Foamfollower,
Maid of Honor...?
She Who Must Not Be Named, clearly.