Kevin's Watch

I just got back from seeing this, and I think it was pretty good.

I don't really like the actor playing McCoy.


I do have a few quibbles, though.

1 - Wow, Klingon ships are way too easy to blow up.

2 - Why give the torpedoes with their special payload in them to the ship? They could've just destroyed the things themselves with less risk. Or removed them - seemed easy enough for Spock to do it on short notice in a crippled ship.

3 - The ship crash at the end was dramatic and all, but... as soon as the ship stopped the film completely forgot about all the damage and the lives lost. The human cost of that last attack by Harrison was ignored to go off on a foot race through completely undamaged parts of the city. No real impact was felt.

4 - At the end, when McCoy realises they can use Harrison's blood to save Kirk, they thaw out one of the other men from Harrison's crew so that they can use the cryo-pod to keep Kirk safe until they have a blood sample. Why didn't they just take blood from the guy they thawed out?


On the other hand, I liked the nods to the original films, and the reversal of Spock and Kirk at the end.

Oy...

Murrin, perhaps you should but a spoiler warning up first? I have not seen this yet, but did want to see your opinion of it.

Glad to hear overall it got your approval.

This just confirms that I will not be seeing this film.

Menolly wrote:Oy...

Murrin, perhaps you should but a spoiler warning up first? I have not seen this yet, but did want to see your opinion of it.

Glad to hear overall it got your approval.

I figured saying "I just watched it, here are my quibbles with it" was a warning. That said, I've now gone back and edited one thing. Still wouln't read if you don't want spoilers, though.

Orlion - It's not bad, it just has the same kind of plot holes as every film or episode of Star Trek ever.

I'm Murrin wrote:
Orlion - It's not bad, it just has the same kind of plot holes as every film or episode of Star Trek ever.

I'm just not interested in paying money to see some loser remake "Wrath of Kahn". Seriously, the whole point (allegedly) of making a Star Wars rip off before was so that it would free them up to tell whatever stories they wanted to. Abrams literally had free reign, and instead decided, "I know! Let's revisit the one story that was done right to begin with! I'm sooo clever."

Good point.

On further reflection, this movie's plot makes no goddamn sense.

I feel like it could have made sense with some additional scenes, something that explained why the villain did the things he did. (Specifically, not generally.) If you threw in a scene somewhere that convincingly explained that he planned it all along for a specific outcome, it might make sense.

Spoiler

The outcome would be him getting control of the giant military starship. It's a pretty obvious thing to do: have the entire plot be a gambit by super-smart Khan to get that ship out in space and to get on board it. But the film actually leaves you with no real explanation, and only guesses that maybe that's what was intended. Khan's own words - not to be trusted, but not directly contradicted in the film as it exists - on why he attacked Starfleet don't work within that idea.

Does it matter if we know he's lying, if the film never proves it, nor offers an alternative explanation?

Saw Star Trek into Darkness yesterday.
I found it very entertaining.
I don't care about the obvious references to the other Star Trek 2 so it didn't bother me.
I wasn't looking for problems and had no trouble just enjoying the film.

-nuff said.

I thought it was great!

I don't mind the parallels between WOK - if you think about the reboot is on an alternate timeline, it makes perfect sense.

My only gripe is that I read the review on CNN.com yesterday morning, and got spoiled about Harrison's true identity.

Does Cumberbatch play the villain?

Yeah.

I'm so far from being able to remember anything about The Wrath of Khan that they could have shown me the same damn film and I wouldn't have known the difference .

That said of course I'll see this (at some point). I'm no 'trekkie' but you gotta love these guys with their simplistic world view and pointed ears and stuff. Star Trek Rules OK!

(On the subject of ears "How many ears has Captain Kirk got? Three - his left ear, his right ear and his final front ear. )

Hashi Lebwohl wrote:The film makes perfect sense when you realize that Admiral Marcus is working in collusion with Mr. Harrison except Mr. Harrison is going to double-cross the Admiral. Mr. Harrison is simply using the Admiral's plans to advance his own plans; the supercharged ride just happened to be a nice bonus.

I saw it tonight, and yeah, that's key.

Hashi Lebwohl wrote:Unanswered question: what exactly was on that scroll at the first of the movie?

I would guess that it was sacred texts of their religion, immediately discarded in favor of the ship in the sky.

I'm Murrin wrote: I don't really like the actor playing McCoy.

Did they change the actor? Because I thought the guy playing McCoy in ST 1 was a perfect fit. Either way, I plan on seeing it Monday.

Same guy, Karl Urban. The gruff act just grates on me, it never feels like a real person.

I'm Murrin wrote:Same guy, Karl Urban. The gruff act just grates on me, it never feels like a real person.

Understood. However, that's how the original McCoy was, and I always liked that character, because of his gruff exterior.