Not just on the specific issue of racism either. Seems like elections have fallen prey to the same issues too...Fist and Faith wrote:...if we want to stop the insanity, we need to address those emotions...
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If Biden wins, Democrats will need riots to end and they will crack down hard.sgt.null wrote:Fist - we had riots thd first night in Houston. The police made a bunch of arrests that night and we haven't had a problem since.
https://www.click2houston.com/news/loca ... en-friday/
This is what should have happened nationwide. An adult response.
You are all as bad as each other. I heard the hate toward Obama for eight years. I heard shouts of "Liar!" at the SotUA. Don't try to claim any moral high-ground, or I'll bust you down to cpl. Nobody here claims the other side is evil more than you do.sgt.null wrote:Democrats decided that they could not win on substance. So they decided that claiming Republicans were evil would work. And racism is evil, so boom goes the dynamite.
You are right. I remember the riots we conservatives had under Obama. How we would go out and loot. And... wait, that wasn't us. It was the left.Fist and Faith wrote:You are all as bad as each other. I heard the hate toward Obama for eight years. I heard shouts of "Liar!" at the SotUA. Don't try to claim any moral high-ground, or I'll bust you down to cpl. Nobody here claims the other side is evil more than you do.sgt.null wrote:Democrats decided that they could not win on substance. So they decided that claiming Republicans were evil would work. And racism is evil, so boom goes the dynamite.
Not liking a particular President isn't the same as calling the opposing political party evil. We've made this distinction before: the Right tends to think the Left is incorrect, but the Left tends to think the Right is evil. You can have a debate with someone you think is incorrect, but you can't have a debate with someone who thinks you're evil. And that's why the Left simply shuts down speech they don't like. That's why they think riots are an appropriate response. When you are fighting "Evil," the ends justify the means. Even people who read Donaldson and pretend to think otherwise when discussing his works, tend to justify the means when coming back to the real world. Though Donaldson explicitly made the point that the ends don't justify the means, some of his fans can still be found excusing black people for rioting. I think there's a lot of cognitive dissonance on the Left . . . when there is cognition at all, and not mere feels.Fist and Faith wrote:You are all as bad as each other. I heard the hate toward Obama for eight years. I heard shouts of "Liar!" at the SotUA. Don't try to claim any moral high-ground, or I'll bust you down to cpl. Nobody here claims the other side is evil more than you do.sgt.null wrote:Democrats decided that they could not win on substance. So they decided that claiming Republicans were evil would work. And racism is evil, so boom goes the dynamite.
I don't believe anyone has said that looting Footlocker is evil. Not like racism or other "-isms." There is no "looter-ism." Looting is an activity. A destructive, stupid, counter-productive, lawless activity. It's not evil.Fist and Faith wrote:I was talking to sgt, and that's what I read in a good number of his posts. But even others here say the Democrats are intentionally causing the riots for their own gain. How should one characterize people who cause riots for their own gain? Sounds like evil people to me. A shame such instigators can't be tried in court. Good luck with that.
If you agree that they should be locked up, then why are you worrying about their feelings? Sure, you want to stop the rioting. But is worrying about their feelings the right way to do it? What if I *feel* I deserve your car? Is worrying about my feelings the best way to stop me from taking it? What if my feelings are "justified?" What if I feel like society owes me? What if I see a video of someone else who looks like me getting killed and and that makes me really really mad and so I think that because I have something in common with the person in the video--like we're both bald--that I *feel* like I deserve to take your car? Should you worry about my pain?Fist and Faith wrote:I don't excuse anybody for rioting. Everybody doing so should be locked up. But I say, over and over and over, that it will happen again, and I explain the emotions that make it happen, and the causes of those emotions. But I'm met with those who couldn't care less about that. People who will not acknowledge the pain of others.
Completely false. I frequently see GOP voters call Democrats evil, both on these forums and outside of it. "Demoncrats" is a popular slur used by Republicans. Someone put up a sign near my neighborhood that says "Silly Demoncrats!" I see it all the time on social media. I hear it uttered in real life. Yes, Republicans believe that Democrats are evil incarnate.Zarathustra wrote:Not liking a particular President isn't the same as calling the opposing political party evil. We've made this distinction before: the Right tends to think the Left is incorrect, but the Left tends to think the Right is evil. You can have a debate with someone you think is incorrect, but you can't have a debate with someone who thinks you're evil. And that's why the Left simply shuts down speech they don't like. That's why they think riots are an appropriate response. When you are fighting "Evil," the ends justify the means. Even people who read Donaldson and pretend to think otherwise when discussing his works, tend to justify the means when coming back to the real world. Though Donaldson explicitly made the point that the ends don't justify the means, some of his fans can still be found excusing black people for rioting. I think there's a lot of cognitive dissonance on the Left . . . when there is cognition at all, and not mere feels.Fist and Faith wrote:You are all as bad as each other. I heard the hate toward Obama for eight years. I heard shouts of "Liar!" at the SotUA. Don't try to claim any moral high-ground, or I'll bust you down to cpl. Nobody here claims the other side is evil more than you do.sgt.null wrote:Democrats decided that they could not win on substance. So they decided that claiming Republicans were evil would work. And racism is evil, so boom goes the dynamite.
Not this again?ur-Nanothnir wrote:Completely false. I frequently see GOP voters call Democrats evil, both on these forums and outside of it. "Demoncrats" is a popular slur used by Republicans. Someone put up a sign near my neighborhood that says "Silly Demoncrats!" I see it all the time on social media. I hear it uttered in real life. Yes, Republicans believe that Democrats are evil incarnate.Zarathustra wrote: Not liking a particular President isn't the same as calling the opposing political party evil. We've made this distinction before: the Right tends to think the Left is incorrect, but the Left tends to think the Right is evil. You can have a debate with someone you think is incorrect, but you can't have a debate with someone who thinks you're evil. And that's why the Left simply shuts down speech they don't like. That's why they think riots are an appropriate response. When you are fighting "Evil," the ends justify the means. Even people who read Donaldson and pretend to think otherwise when discussing his works, tend to justify the means when coming back to the real world. Though Donaldson explicitly made the point that the ends don't justify the means, some of his fans can still be found excusing black people for rioting. I think there's a lot of cognitive dissonance on the Left . . . when there is cognition at all, and not mere feels.
I'd say that particular piece of mainstream messaging emanating from your worshipped figurehead is pretty unequivocal - Joe's very clearly framing the issue as an absolutist moral, nay quasi-religious one, where effectively he's claiming - and quite deliberately - on the one hand to be Gandalf and anyone supporting the Dems are the elves, whilst simultaneously portraying Trump on the other as Sauron and anyone supporting the Pubs as the orcs. How "end of times"... how puerile... how utterly fucking ludicrous.Joe Biden in his nomination acceptance speech wrote: I will be an ally of the light, not the darkness...
This campaign isn't just about winning votes. It's about winning the heart and, yes, the soul of America...
And light is more powerful than dark. This is our moment. This is our mission. May history be able to say that the end of this chapter of American darkness began here, tonight, as love and hope and light join in the battle for the soul of the nation.
Well, you make my point for me. That is EXACTLY what any radicalised absolutist would state.ur-Nanothnir wrote:And you would be completely wrong about "some" and "fringe" Republicans.