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Savor Dam wrote:After spending a week celebrating a day's worth of oil burning for eight days...as well as acknowledging the rebirth of the sun, I certainly salute those who commemorate a Messiah's birth.

I, Linna, cannot match your words for tolerance.*
I don't believe Jesus permits me to.
Jesus was super-intolerant, actually.

Of many things.
Including things that I have thought, said, or done in the last day.
Including things I will think, say, or do tomorrow.
(because this life is so broken. because I am so broken.)
And I'm supposed to imitate Him.

And here's the thing...
What if I say that when I worship Jesus I worship YWHW?
Worse, what if I say that worshipping Jesus is the only Way to worship YWHW?
Or worse yet, what if - Elijah-like - I were to open my mouth sometime?
Meh... rhetorical questions... for now, maybe theoretical?


Regarding tolerance:
You people on the Watch... who knows something about that guy in the U.K. who really got the ball rolling on religious tolerance?
...I'm trying to remember the name of the guy... ("memory, don't fail me now" -SRD**) would love it if someone posted something about the history of it to this thread.


* though I can possibly match you for crazy ideas that are skew to normal. and for crazy things I have believed, do believe and will believe. and if not, I bet I can find someone who can.

** SRD seems to have been having a senior moment when he couldn't remember the Apostle Paul.
This is hilariously ironic because he Apostle Paul had a senior moment recorded on the pages of holy writ... where he was forgetting to mention the names of some people he'd baptized in this one town.

I think the person you are thinking of is King William III, who was instrumental in the passage of the Act of Toleration in 1689.

Since this is a "1" thread, I will say no more..other than that my intent in the quoted post was certainly not to offend. Sorry if what I wrote had that effect.

Umm, believe it or not, I want to say thank you for your courage.

Believe it or not, I'm a lot ignorant of history. *sigh*

So... actually, it might take me awhile to respond to the content of your post.

Otoh, I can tell you that I know that the person I was thinking of was more of an author than a king.

Thomas Paine had, I think a lot to say on tolerance. IIRC however he was not a believer in it [in the traditional sense] because to him to be tolerant of something implied that you had the right to be intolerant of it if you chose which, in his view, was overstepping the mark altogether. Rather he felt, you had to understand other people had as much right to their positions as you had to your own.