Happy Christmas to All!!
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Happy Christmas to All!!
Probably a lot of us who celebrate Christ's arrival on earth will not be on tomorrow (myself included) so before I log off, I just want to wish everyone a very merry Christmas.
Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle. -Philo of Alexandria
ahhhh... if only all our creativity in wickedness could be fixed by "Corrupt a Wish." - Linna Heartlistener
ahhhh... if only all our creativity in wickedness could be fixed by "Corrupt a Wish." - Linna Heartlistener
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Happy Christmas to everyone on the Watch. The best bunch in town........... 
The truth is a Lion and does not need protection. Once free it will look after itself.
....and the glory of the world becomes less than it was....
'Have we not served you well'
'Of course - you know you have.'
'Then let it end.'
We are the Bloodguard
....and the glory of the world becomes less than it was....
'Have we not served you well'
'Of course - you know you have.'
'Then let it end.'
We are the Bloodguard
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Wosbald
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Re: Happy Christmas to All!!
+JMJ+
To us a child is born. And they will call his name Emmanuel, Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. And the government will be on his shoulder.
+1deer of the dawn wrote:Probably a lot of us who celebrate Christ's arrival on earth will not be on tomorrow (myself included) so before I log off, I just want to wish everyone a very merry Christmas.
To us a child is born. And they will call his name Emmanuel, Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. And the government will be on his shoulder.
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"...Christ Jesus, [who,]
though he was in the form of God,
did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,
but emptied himself,
by taking the form of a servant,
being born in the likeness of men..."
Yes, Merry Christmas!
...though I think I'm a day late.
So I guess I also have to say:
(don't know if I used this one last year. where's sorus, now?)
[edit: to make the cat meme smaller. Gah - cat meme getting so much more real estate than scripture verse!?!]
though he was in the form of God,
did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,
but emptied himself,
by taking the form of a servant,
being born in the likeness of men..."
Yes, Merry Christmas!
...though I think I'm a day late.
So I guess I also have to say:
(don't know if I used this one last year. where's sorus, now?)
[edit: to make the cat meme smaller. Gah - cat meme getting so much more real estate than scripture verse!?!]
"People without hope not only don't write novels, but what is more to the point, they don't read them.
They don't take long looks at anything, because they lack the courage.
The way to despair is to refuse to have any kind of experience, and the novel, of course, is a way to have experience."
-Flannery O'Connor
"In spite of much that militates against quietness there are people who still read books. They are the people who keep me going."
-Elisabeth Elliot, Preface, "A Chance to Die: The Life and Legacy of Amy Carmichael"
They don't take long looks at anything, because they lack the courage.
The way to despair is to refuse to have any kind of experience, and the novel, of course, is a way to have experience."
-Flannery O'Connor
"In spite of much that militates against quietness there are people who still read books. They are the people who keep me going."
-Elisabeth Elliot, Preface, "A Chance to Die: The Life and Legacy of Amy Carmichael"
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peter
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Interesting quote Linna. If I get it right the implication is that Christ deliberately made himself smaller, lesser for his earthly manifestation. Does this square with seeing him as part of a trinity of equal but different parts: like the leaves of a clover or faces of a gemstone?
The truth is a Lion and does not need protection. Once free it will look after itself.
....and the glory of the world becomes less than it was....
'Have we not served you well'
'Of course - you know you have.'
'Then let it end.'
We are the Bloodguard
....and the glory of the world becomes less than it was....
'Have we not served you well'
'Of course - you know you have.'
'Then let it end.'
We are the Bloodguard
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Happy Christmas Everyone!
Looking forward to another year with all you great peeps (except for Vraith, who has abandoned us to learn the violin or Swahili or something equally useless!
)
u.
Looking forward to another year with all you great peeps (except for Vraith, who has abandoned us to learn the violin or Swahili or something equally useless!
)u.
Tho' all the maps of blood and flesh
Are posted on the door,
There's no one who has told us yet
What Boogie Street is for.
Are posted on the door,
There's no one who has told us yet
What Boogie Street is for.
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peter
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Hope V. Returns to us; a voice of reason with a cool sense of humor and a damn smart guy to boot!
The truth is a Lion and does not need protection. Once free it will look after itself.
....and the glory of the world becomes less than it was....
'Have we not served you well'
'Of course - you know you have.'
'Then let it end.'
We are the Bloodguard
....and the glory of the world becomes less than it was....
'Have we not served you well'
'Of course - you know you have.'
'Then let it end.'
We are the Bloodguard
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Linna Heartbooger
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Kind of. He constrained himself.peter wrote:Interesting quote Linna. If I get it right the implication is that Christ deliberately made himself smaller, lesser for his earthly manifestation.
For one, from showing His fall-down-in-worship majesty..
So in the Gospels, when people catch a glimpse of His glory, either with him stilling the wind and waves of the sea of Galilee, (the forces of nature) or ...in the transfiguration, they are flabbergasted.
And he became a man... ("fully God, fully man" is one description often used) becoming subject to thirst, hunger, pain, temptation, and separation from His Father."For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though he was rich, yet for your sake he became poor, so that you by his poverty might become rich."
Him choosing to go away from the glory and joy that he enjoyed before coming to this earth as a helpless baby - a thing He did for the sake of fallen humanity, His enemies - is something to fill a person with wonder.
And yes, it does... and that is such a necessary doctrine.peter wrote:Does this square with seeing him as part of a trinity...
Because without it, you'd either not be able to acknowledge Jesus as fully divine, or you'd contradict there being one God.
Sorry for this anachronistically-slow response, peter... it's like leaving up the Christmas tree till February!
(which, I'm, umm.. also guilty of. and not because I have an extraordinary fondness for Christmas trees.)
-"Linna Slowposter"
Edit: Moved around scripture quote. Also, formatting.
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Wonderful link Linna - whets my appetite for getting to the New Testament, which I am not so far off from now! Thanks for remembering that question for so long. For me, I can wholly get where you are coming from re the import of the trinity concept, but need to think about his 'constraining' himself (great way of putting it btw).
The truth is a Lion and does not need protection. Once free it will look after itself.
....and the glory of the world becomes less than it was....
'Have we not served you well'
'Of course - you know you have.'
'Then let it end.'
We are the Bloodguard
....and the glory of the world becomes less than it was....
'Have we not served you well'
'Of course - you know you have.'
'Then let it end.'
We are the Bloodguard
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Linna Heartbooger
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Yay, glad to hear. 
"People without hope not only don't write novels, but what is more to the point, they don't read them.
They don't take long looks at anything, because they lack the courage.
The way to despair is to refuse to have any kind of experience, and the novel, of course, is a way to have experience."
-Flannery O'Connor
"In spite of much that militates against quietness there are people who still read books. They are the people who keep me going."
-Elisabeth Elliot, Preface, "A Chance to Die: The Life and Legacy of Amy Carmichael"
They don't take long looks at anything, because they lack the courage.
The way to despair is to refuse to have any kind of experience, and the novel, of course, is a way to have experience."
-Flannery O'Connor
"In spite of much that militates against quietness there are people who still read books. They are the people who keep me going."
-Elisabeth Elliot, Preface, "A Chance to Die: The Life and Legacy of Amy Carmichael"
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+JMJ+
Only the Trinity allows the Created to attain both Union and Distinction vis-a-vis God, since God is relational within Himself from all eternity.
What's more, without the Trinity, we'd still be lost in the insolubility of the dichotomy between the Absolute & Infinite and the Relative & Finite, viz., we'd be on the horns of dilemma such that we'd either have resign our personalities to perpetual entrapment within the confines of Finitude (e.g. in descending to Hades/Sheol or in Reincarnation, etc) or else, we'd have to lose our personality in dissolution when attaining to the Absolute Oneness (i.e. when the Divine Spark returns to the Source).peter wrote:For me, I can wholly get where you are coming from re the import of the trinity concept ...
Only the Trinity allows the Created to attain both Union and Distinction vis-a-vis God, since God is relational within Himself from all eternity.
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I may not be getting it Wos because (Wosbald wrote:+JMJ+
or else, we'd have to lose our personality in dissolution when attaining to the Absolute Oneness (i.e. when the Divine Spark returns to the Source).
) , well - this don't sound to bad to me.( By the way I'm reading the download you posted for me, just taking it in small bites at a time.
)The truth is a Lion and does not need protection. Once free it will look after itself.
....and the glory of the world becomes less than it was....
'Have we not served you well'
'Of course - you know you have.'
'Then let it end.'
We are the Bloodguard
....and the glory of the world becomes less than it was....
'Have we not served you well'
'Of course - you know you have.'
'Then let it end.'
We are the Bloodguard
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+JMJ+
But I can say that Trinity signifies that personality/relationality is Absolute. God is relational within himself.
Before Trinity, the concept of a personal god was problematic. Either one had personal/relational gods bound up within the overarching Fate of the world, in which case, they are not Absolute. Or else one had an Absolute which is wholly Other and, thus, is impersonal.
Trinity means the God can be affirmed both as Absolute (and thus, not dependent on the World) and as Personal (and thus can freely enter into relation with it).
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Well, I can't really address your preferences, of course.peter wrote:I may not be getting it Wos because (Wosbald wrote: or else, we'd have to lose our personality in dissolution when attaining to the Absolute Oneness (i.e. when the Divine Spark returns to the Source).
But I can say that Trinity signifies that personality/relationality is Absolute. God is relational within himself.
Before Trinity, the concept of a personal god was problematic. Either one had personal/relational gods bound up within the overarching Fate of the world, in which case, they are not Absolute. Or else one had an Absolute which is wholly Other and, thus, is impersonal.
Trinity means the God can be affirmed both as Absolute (and thus, not dependent on the World) and as Personal (and thus can freely enter into relation with it).
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Glad to hear the download is useful to you. Hope you're enjoying it.peter wrote:( By the way I'm reading the download you posted for me, just taking it in small bites at a time.
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Well, there are!wayfriend wrote:(I came to this thread because I thought there would be presents. [And isn't that what Christmas is really all about?])
Here's one.
See?
And some more.
What?
"People without hope not only don't write novels, but what is more to the point, they don't read them.
They don't take long looks at anything, because they lack the courage.
The way to despair is to refuse to have any kind of experience, and the novel, of course, is a way to have experience."
-Flannery O'Connor
"In spite of much that militates against quietness there are people who still read books. They are the people who keep me going."
-Elisabeth Elliot, Preface, "A Chance to Die: The Life and Legacy of Amy Carmichael"
They don't take long looks at anything, because they lack the courage.
The way to despair is to refuse to have any kind of experience, and the novel, of course, is a way to have experience."
-Flannery O'Connor
"In spite of much that militates against quietness there are people who still read books. They are the people who keep me going."
-Elisabeth Elliot, Preface, "A Chance to Die: The Life and Legacy of Amy Carmichael"