President Trump recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Post by **Gaius Octavius** » Tue Nov 12, 2019 10:17 pm

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Post by **Skyweir** » Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:01 pm

The struggle is real

Post by **Wosbald** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 2:16 pm

+JMJ+

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Post by **Hashi Lebwohl** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 4:12 pm

The legality of settlements in Israel is not up to the United States to decide. That is an internal Israeli matter only; Pompeo is playing to the evangelical crowd.

Post by **Skyweir** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:21 pm

Agreed ... he is.

And that is a worrying trend to set.

Post by **Wosbald** » Wed Nov 20, 2019 3:56 pm

+JMJ+

Vatican makes apparent rebuke of US shift on Israeli settlements in unusual communique

Vatican City -- The Vatican appeared to make a rare public rebuke of a U.S. foreign policy decision Nov. 20, issuing a statement to reiterate its support for a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict just days after the U.S. gave its blessing to Israeli annexation of Palestinian territory.

While the unsigned "communication from the Holy See" does not refer specifically to U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo's Nov. 18 decision to no longer consider Israeli settlements in the West Bank a violation of international law, it references "recent decisions that risk undermining further the Israeli-Palestinian peace process."

"The Holy See reiterates its position of a two-state solution for two peoples, as the only way to reach a complete solution to this age-old conflict," the statement continues, before pointedly adding: "The Holy See supports the right of the State of Israel to live in peace and security within the borders recognized by the international community."

It is highly unusual for the Vatican to respond to individual decisions of world governments. Holy See diplomats tend to prefer to work quietly, advancing issues of international peace and diplomacy behind the scenes and with little fanfare.

The Nov. 20 statement is even more unusual in that it comes as Pope Francis is not at the Vatican, but making a seven-day trip to Thailand and Japan.

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The Vatican's Nov. 20 statement was released officially in Italian and English, alongside a working Spanish translation. It ends by saying the Holy See hopes that Israelis and Palestinians "may find a fair compromise, which takes into account the legitimate aspirations of the two peoples."

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Comunicato della Santa Sede, 20.11.2019 [B0898] [Official English Translation]

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Testo in lingua inglese

In the context of recent decisions that risk undermining further the Israeli-Palestinian peace process and the already fragile regional stability, the Holy See reiterates its position of a two-state solution for two peoples, as the only way to reach a complete solution to this age-old conflict. The Holy See supports the right of the State of Israel to live in peace and security within the borders recognized by the international community and supports the same right that belongs to the Palestinian people, which must be recognized, respected and implemented.

The Holy See wishes that the two Parties, negotiating directly with each other, with the support of the international community and in compliance with United Nations resolutions, may find a fair compromise, which takes into account the legitimate aspirations of the two peoples.

[01899-EN.01] [Original text: English]

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Post by **wayfriend** » Wed Nov 20, 2019 6:24 pm

It's apparent that Trump will stop at nothing to obtain Jewish votes.

Post by **Hashi Lebwohl** » Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:19 pm

That's right--what kind of politician panders for votes? The very idea!

Post by **Obi-Wan Nihilo** » Wed Nov 20, 2019 9:16 pm

Kind of kills the, "Trump's Antisemitic" meme though.

Post by **Skyweir** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 2:01 am

Agreed

Though you would hope that he at least isnt anti semitic given his son inlaw is Jewish,

However, I think he is likely more catering to his evangelical base, rather than American Jewish voters. He hasnt done so well with that demographic.

Post by **Avatar** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 6:50 am

Yeah, never thought he was anti-Semitic. Pretty much agree about the evangelical base though. Dunno how well it will go down with Jewish voters...some no doubt, but aren't they traditionally a democrat bloc?

--A

Post by **Hashi Lebwohl** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 1:19 pm

Avatar wrote:Dunno how well it will go down with Jewish voters...some no doubt, but aren't they traditionally a democrat bloc?

That is the problem they are facing because the Democrat Party has become so pro-Palestinian lately that they might as well be anti-Israel. Many of them--especially younger ones like those in The Squad--openly support BDS.

Post by **wayfriend** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:50 pm

Obi-Wan Nihilo wrote:Kind of kills the, "Trump's Antisemitic" meme though.

Not in the least little bit.

Post by **TheFallen** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:23 pm

Although not directly related to the subject, in the world's least surprising breaking news, Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu has been charged with multiple counts of corruption

Post by **Wosbald** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 6:00 pm

+JMJ+

wayfriend wrote:
Obi-Wan Nihilo wrote:Kind of kills the, "Trump's Antisemitic" meme though.
Not in the least little bit.

Tru dat.

"Killing" Antisemitism is not about buying-off Jewry. Rather, it's only about not being Antisemitic. It's a daily grind, not a deal-of-the-century.

We'll see if Trump brings his 'A'-game tomorrow. Not holding my breath, but hope springs eternal.

Post by **Skyweir** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 11:50 pm

TheFallen wrote:Although not directly related to the subject, in the world's least surprising breaking news, Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu has been charged with multiple counts of corruption

There IS still justice in this world.

I hope all corrupt leaders meet the self same fate.

Post by **Hashi Lebwohl** » Fri Nov 22, 2019 1:10 am

Haven't they been sitting on these Netanyahu charges for months now? I guess they figured they had better prosecute them now before he somehow manages to dodge them.

What are the odds that he gets replaced by someone almost just like him, though?

Post by **Skyweir** » Fri Nov 22, 2019 1:13 am

The odds are always there but if those who ARE corrupt get held to account for their abuses of power then THAT is a good thing imv.

Actually its been years theyve wanted him for charges of corruption.

Post by **Hashi Lebwohl** » Fri Nov 22, 2019 1:36 am

By "just like him" I meant "hardliner", not "corrupt".

Post by **Skyweir** » Fri Nov 22, 2019 1:44 am

Ahh right

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President Trump recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital