Kevin's Watch

Thats very interesting. Its hard to see the connections with the Christ persona imho, though. Yeah his arms were restrained in a bed, not really like being nailed through your flesh to a cross and the weight of his body hanging from those nailed fleshy bits.

Definitely got a stronger link with the book cover though.

Then the doctor comparing being a leper to being Christ. Mmm.. because of the level of despite. The degree to which he was despised. But Christ though despised by some was also loved and followed by some, or so that story goes.

Do you think Donaldson is taking a shot at Christianity.. well not that, thats hard to do, but how. That Christians or Christianity is hypocritical. Please assume punctuation as yes they are questions.

On a more human level, definitely... that people are not all good or all evil .. yes definitely.. that even the most loathesome human can make non loathesome choices, navigate their lives out of despair. The whole series spirals around this seemingly pivot.

Christianity teaches similarly doesnt it. Hope, faith, trust, love, kindness .. oh and sacrifice. These are themes Donaldson does seem to play with.

Is he having a dig at Christianity.. maybe .. maybe he elevates humans beyond Christianity, beyond religions and religious dogmas. That I could see. But I dont think he is paralleling TC with the Christ persona.

It maybe if you expanded your thinking on this a little more, how you see the parallels, that might help me follow your line of thought.

Yes CS Lewis was very religious , I dont see the same convictions being born out in Donaldsons work at all though. With CSL theres no denying it .. Aslan is the Christ in Narnia.

Well, SRD's parents were missionaries if I recall...

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So maybe that left him with some doubts about Christianity.. cos I think SRD shakes up the view of christians. Yes good point about the preacher Nano. Again more fuel for the anti Christian perspective perhaps.

Nanothnir, remember that book cover art is almost never approved by the author and the artist usually only has a few pages of story concept to work off of.

Using your example, who is the open mouthed person kneeling on the shore?
Brinn? I don't think so. lol

I can't believe that this has never been anyone's avatar!

skyweir wrote:...Then the doctor comparing being a leper to being Christ. Mmm.. because of the level of despite. The degree to which he was despised. But Christ though despised by some was also loved and followed by some, or so that story goes.

I think this part about the rejection is a lot of what's going on here...
Jesus suffered "outside the gate" ...away from the comforts of human community.
He's described as "one from whom men hide their faces."
He's very identified with outcasts.

...and Covenant's leper-hood is defined by his outcasting and suffering.
Managing leprosy and losing half a hand are bummers.
But the major wound is how he cannot hope for human relationship in the waking world.
It defines him.

In the same way as the wounds in those works of art are "zoomed in on" and have incredible detail... in Covenant's life, and in the Land, much of the focus is on the pain.

Thanks for bringing up the topic, Nanothnir.
It's one we've discussed before, but a new thread gives us a new starting point for discussion.

Actually Linna, brilliant point about rejection. TC and Christ are both enigmatic icons of rejection. Mysterious perhaps because of the complexities of their suffering, their experiences and there shared shunning.

These two fictional characters do share more in common than I first considered.

There are some that believe Christ did enjoy human connection in his waking life, but there is little actual support for whether that is indeed so.

Are they both defined, in their despair, through their lack of human intimacy. Are we suggesting single hood akin to leprosy.. rejection. What if youre between relationships.. lol ..

But TC can hope for human intimacy .. perhaps not in the waking world, thats probably irrefutable, but he did meet Linden in the waking world.

Meh .. but yes he exists in perpetuity in the Land. But in the Land he does doesnt he .. and yeah it takes him ages to get there. But he does get there. So yay him. But theres more than the completeness intimacy offers him, isnt there. His relationships with the people of the Land, the Lords, the haruchai, the giants etc..

And he had relationships in the waking world. He was married. Had offspring. His relationships were not ideal lol .. well his dreadful ex wife Joan .. groan, Linden Avery, her kid, Roger, parents.. yeah they all seemed to pretty much suck.