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Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 11:24 pm
by wayfriend
sgt.null wrote:WF - here's some facts. Russia collusion was a hoax. The FBI was weaponized against Trump. Mueller found no collusion. The left's impeachment failed and Trump was vindicated.
You mock yourself and do not know it.

Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2020 1:33 am
by sgt.null
WF - what was incorrect about what I said?

Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2020 4:40 am
by Savor Dam
More and more, I am considering casting Mueller as Sixten Vertigus in my mental movie of The Gap.

Do not ask who plays Holt...or whether Hashi ends up on the right side of the story.

(if y'all can have so robust a socio-political forum on a literature-oriented site, I can throw in occasional germane literary references.)

Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2020 6:32 am
by TheFallen
Savor Dam wrote: (if y'all can have so robust a socio-political forum on a literature-oriented site, I can throw in occasional germane literary references.)
Oh no you damn well can't!

Shame on you, SD! How DARE you attempt to inflict your elitist, arty-farty and hoity-toity literary allusions on the Tank faithful? Truly shocking, I tell you...

I mean this is the Tank. The TANK, FFS! The ONLY allowable posts are those vigorously slagging off those with differing opinions, while simultaneously failing to address any issue they may have raised.

Posts of the highest worth will therefore all start with "Oh yeah? Whattabout..." and end with "...you howling fuckwit!" (or words to that effect).

This ain't no Readers' Circle. It's MMA... UFC. It's the Tank. So fercrissakes get with the program, dude!

:biggrin:

Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:36 am
by Skyweir
:LOLS:

lols SD you do you πŸ˜‰

TF you criticise whataboutism ... and I don’t see it cropping up much at all ... in fact it is a point of contention whenever a criticism of Trump is raised, the Berties feel compelled to flag Hilary, Obama or something other no longer relevant character πŸ˜‰ lol πŸ˜‚

Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2020 12:47 am
by Hashi Lebwohl
Savor Dam wrote:Do not ask who plays Holt...or whether Hashi ends up on the right side of the story.
I am always on the right side of the story. :mrgreen:

Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2020 2:54 am
by sgt.null
We on the rignt called the whole Mueller investigation out for what it was, a soft coup attempt.

Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:37 am
by wayfriend
sgt.null wrote:We on the rignt called the whole Mueller investigation out for what it was, a soft coup attempt.
Then Birtherism was a soft coup attempt.

Long before Mueller.

And impeaching Clinton for having an affair with Lewinski was a soft coup attempt.

Long before Mueller.

Blame the Republicans for opening the door on soft coups.

Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2020 12:57 pm
by sgt.null
I was against birtherism. I was against impeaching Clinton. But you are either willfully twistj g the facts or haven't done your research.

It was Andy Martin then Clinton supporters who first floated the birther idea.

It was Paula Jones' lawsuit that started the Clintin debacle.

Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2020 4:24 am
by Hashi Lebwohl
The relative silence from the left-leaning media shows how nervous they are over the Brennan memos. Brennen briefed the Obama Administration on Hillary's campaign's attempts to fabricate a scandal about her political opponent in order to help her chances in an election and to take attention away from her e-mail server scandal.

Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:01 am
by Gaius Octavius
I honestly never even heard of the Brennan memos. Either way, I don't see it affecting Biden because that sounds more like a Hillary Clinton thing than anything else, and she isn't the person running for office.

I suppose in this case at least, the relative silence is because only the GOP sees it as a real issue?

Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2020 5:38 pm
by wayfriend
Hashi Lebwohl wrote:Brennen briefed the Obama Administration on Hillary's campaign's attempts to fabricate a scandal about her political opponent in order to help her chances in an election and to take attention away from her e-mail server scandal.
Nope. Just plain wrong. Badly wrong.

They don't say that. Not at all.

And because it's all a lie, you have to pull out the "silence on the issue" trope as some sort of crime, when the silence is due to it not being an issue.

Promote a story about a scandal? Yes, it says that. "Invent" a scandal, no it doesn't say that. The scandal was shovel-ready.

Is it facts? No. It's someone's opinion.

However, the funnest part of this is the RANK HYPOCRACY. I mean, dozens of people testified what Trump was doing. And the Republican response was, They are not Trump, they don't really know what Trump was doing. "First hand knowledge" was the watchword.

But one memo with one opinion from one guy, and you jump all over it like it's gospel.

Misinformation. Some people's only hope.

Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 5:05 pm
by Hashi Lebwohl
I wish there had been "firsthand" knowledge for most of the information which led to Mueller and the subsequent impeachment, but Steele based his dossier on Russian pub-talk and the impeachment over Ukraine happened because someone--Eric Ciaramella, who was not in the room when the phone call was made--heard someone else say something about it and got his knickers in a knot over it.

Keep deflecting, though. Of course, the only reason to deflect is because you know it is true and you worry that polticians you support may be damaged by it. Trump, on the other hand, was investigated for three years then impeached and was found "not guilty" on everything.

Note: if Trump loses in November, which he probably will, I will be closing this thread when Biden is sworn in because Mueller, its beginnings, and its fallout, will cease to be a newsworthy item here.

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:11 pm
by wayfriend
Hashi Lebwohl wrote:Keep deflecting, though.
How is directly stating that you are wrong and listing, point by point, why you are wrong, "deflecting"?

Yeesh. Try much anymore?

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 3:43 pm
by Hashi Lebwohl
This entire thread is full of information providing evidence beyond a reasonable dount that my assessment of the topic is accurate. If you choose not to do your research and read the thread then you are beyond even my ability to assist. Try to keep up.

Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2020 4:15 pm
by Hashi Lebwohl
Trump is on his way out, meaning the Mueller Investigation is finally over once and for all. Fortunately for me, I get to have the last word.

The Mueller Investigation was based on lies. Steele, hired by the DNC and the Clinton Campaign to dig up dirt on Trump, used information from questionable sources--Russian pub-talk--to compile a report of malicious untruths, presented it to the FBI as if it were true, then they edited the things they needed to before sending it to the FISA Court so they could spy on innocent American citizens. The preliminary investigation did not uncover anything--you can't something if it does not exist--which is why the investigation had to be broad and ambigious, allowing them to essentially investigate anyone for anything with even the most tangential connection to Trump and his Campaign. The "indictments" they handed down caught only one truly dirty fish; everyone else wound up being "guilty" of "lying to investigators", which was only a crime because the investigation was taking place and even tried to inidict Russian officials who will never see the inside of an American courtroom.

In the end, it was nothing but a waste of time and money. Closing.