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Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:27 pm
by Wosbald
+JMJ+
wayfriend wrote:How can you write a scientific treatise about nothing?
The same way you write a TV-show about nothing?
Just a thawt.
Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2021 5:35 am
by peter
You could call it "Much Ado About Nothing".
The Biggest Question of All
Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2023 9:12 am
by Skyweir
Fist and Faith wrote: ↑
peter wrote:- we are talking a nothing that has no extension in space, no duration in time,
To be more thorough, we are talking no space in which anything could have extension, no time in which anything could have duration. Space and time are things that exist, after all, so, if we're talking about absolute non-existence, they would be gone, also. I'm not sure I can really wrap my mind around the absence of even those things. Not talking about an empty void with nothing in it. Not talking about time endlessly passing with nothing aging. The absence of them means no field in which to notice the absence of everything else. No big, empty thing. Not even a void, since, to my thinking, that would have boundaries.
Interesting to discuss any thing, defining it really helps ~ defining the subject under exploration and identifying its parameters ~ what it is and what it isn’t, probably is and probably isn’t, may be may not be etc
Kudos on the ^^ above quoted comment ~ and it presents as nigh impossible. And yet ironically remains subject of inquiry and likely always will.
And mig wow
so much food for thought there.
The Biggest Question of All
Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2023 9:18 am
by Skyweir
I agree because there is something we are able to explore it ~ assigning a reason invites broad ranging posturing. Cuz reason for who, for what and why?
Enter the highly subjective nature of what constitutes “peace of mind”.
The Biggest Question of All
Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2023 8:30 pm
by wayfriend
peter wrote: ↑
The closest thing that the theorists have come up with in answering the question (and the approach that the celebrated Stephen Hawking took) was that it was the inherent instability of the nothingness/quantum flux that causes irregularities to pop in and out of existence
The problem that I see here is that instability presumes something which is unstable, and hence it is not nothing.
Instability requires a tension or a conflict between opposing forces, or a force which operates against something that would be otherwise stable.
If there were truly nothing, then there would be nothing that could be unstable, or stable, or any other qualitative adjective.
Nothing is hard to understand.
The Biggest Question of All
Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2023 12:40 am
by Fist and Faith
Indeed it is. I try to look at it with the blind spot in our eyes. Find some small, bright spot, close one eye, and move your eye until the spot disappears. If you know what I mean.
I saw the spot, now I don't. But I know where it is. Peripheral vision goes way beyond it.
Visually, there is nothing there. No signal going to that spot of the brain. It's not describable in vision terms. It's not describable in any terms. It's nothing. And it doesn't help me understand it at all.
so much food for thought there.