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Most joyous part of the Chronicles? (Spoiler warning)

Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 10:01 pm
by Durris
J.R.R. Tolkien coined the word "eucatastrophe" for "the sudden happy turn" in a fairy story that, just when things had looked blackest, conveys "Joy beyond the walls of the world, poignant as grief." :cry: :D

Though SRD seems not to join Tolkien in regarding eucatastrophe as the most central and essential characteristic of fantasy, he has still written some major eucatastrophes.

What are your favorites?

New readers, please finish the series before continuing in the thread; a eucatastrophe known in advance isn't one any more.

Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 10:42 pm
by birdandbear
After all the aching torture of The Wounded Land.....

Covenant took Linden's hand and pulled her with him after Sunder.
They crossed two streams diagonally, and then all the glowing rills lay on their right. The flow of silver gathered into three channels, which ran crookedly toward the main light. But the quest had come to firm ground. The brush between the trees was heavy. Only the Haruchai were able to move silently.
Near the bank of the closest stream, they found Brinn. He stood with his fists on his hips. Nacre reflected out of his flat eyes like joy - He confronted a figure twice as tall as himself. A figure like a reincarnation in the eldritch glow. A dream come true. Or one of the Dead. A Giant!

This makes you want to throw open a window and shout it to the world - A GIANT!! :D :D 8)


(Really, really need a Coming of the White emoticon ;))

Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2004 8:29 am
by Xar
I would personally say that one of the most joyful moments in the books was what took place aboard Starfare's Gem after the flight from Bhrathair, when Brinn and Cail accuse Linden of being the Despiser's follower because she tried to kill Ceer, the Giants and the Haruchai begin arguing loudly over her innocence or guilt while Covenant remains silent, and Linden just feels miserable - and then, all of a sudden, Covenant snaps to the Haruchai, orders them - orders them, when thus far he had never fully accepted they would serve him - to leave her alone, then takes her away, and she tells him about her mother and her death - while feeling she is being judged by Covenant but also feeling miserable for what she did to her mother - and then, when she finishes, and expects Covenant to blame her, or accuse her, or judge her badly, he instead tells her not to blame herself, comforts her, and then does the thing Linden least expects of him:
Don't you understand that I love you?
It took Covenant five books to utter those words sincerely to another human being - to open himself to a woman so completely, and without feeling wracked by torment for his previous deeds with her, as he did with Lena, and as Lena's rape casted shadows over Elena - and Linden's wonder - her surprise at his words, she had never expected to hear after what she had done, after believing herself evil to the core - and then the realization that dawns on her that he isn't tricking her - he truly is in love with her...

And the bliss you can feel in the atmosphere the following day, when they get on deck and every Giant is smiling at them knowingly, and Covenant wonders whether someone can get some bloody privacy in Seafare's Gem... It made me smile to see Covenant genuinely happy - perhaps for the first time - and, after all she had endured, seeing Linden happy, too :)

Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2004 9:16 am
by amanibhavam
For me the most joyous moment was when Foamfollower returned whole and purified from Hotash Slay. Such a relief, it brought tears into my eyes, I wept just as TC wept. And all this just to find a few pages later that Foamfollower dies really this time...

Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2004 10:21 am
by Loredoctor
Same, amanibhavam. I thought Foamfollower was gone by that stage. I wept too when he died.

Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2004 11:21 am
by Revan
Xar wrote:I would personally say that one of the most joyful moments in the books was what took place aboard Starfare's Gem after the flight from Bhrathair, when Brinn and Cail accuse Linden of being the Despiser's follower because she tried to kill Ceer, the Giants and the Haruchai begin arguing loudly over her innocence or guilt while Covenant remains silent, and Linden just feels miserable - and then, all of a sudden, Covenant snaps to the Haruchai, orders them - orders them, when thus far he had never fully accepted they would serve him - to leave her alone, then takes her away, and she tells him about her mother and her death - while feeling she is being judged by Covenant but also feeling miserable for what she did to her mother - and then, when she finishes, and expects Covenant to blame her, or accuse her, or judge her badly, he instead tells her not to blame herself, comforts her, and then does the thing Linden least expects of him:
Don't you understand that I love you?
It took Covenant five books to utter those words sincerely to another human being - to open himself to a woman so completely, and without feeling wracked by torment for his previous deeds with her, as he did with Lena, and as Lena's rape casted shadows over Elena - and Linden's wonder - her surprise at his words, she had never expected to hear after what she had done, after believing herself evil to the core - and then the realization that dawns on her that he isn't tricking her - he truly is in love with her...

And the bliss you can feel in the atmosphere the following day, when they get on deck and every Giant is smiling at them knowingly, and Covenant wonders whether someone can get some bloody privacy in Seafare's Gem... It made me smile to see Covenant genuinely happy - perhaps for the first time - and, after all she had endured, seeing Linden happy, too :)
Excellent post Xar! I totally agree. Linden was expecting to be really unhappy. And talking about how the other were compelling her to the Raver hidden within her heart or something". And, when she expects to be abandoned by everyone. Thomas comes sweeping to her rescue and makes her happier than she has ever been. :D :D :D

Oh yeah, I loved that thing with Foamfollower too, I actually nearly cried... but I held the tears back. And when it turns out he was alive. I screamed "YES!"

And when the Gaints came into the Second Chronicles was amazing.

Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2004 1:58 pm
by Xar
There was a second part that I would define blissful rather than joyous - that is, what happens after Covenant calls for Linden in Revelstone, after he has gone through his caamora in the Banefire... when he has transcended his old wracking sense of guilt, molded into resolution and purpose - finally knows what he must do - and yet he is still so human that he doesn't truly know whether Linden still loves him despite all that has happened since finding the One Tree; so he talks with her, almost shyly offers her to go with him to Mount Thunder, whispering, not knowing whether she will accept or not - trying to bridge the gap between them, that he had once believed invalicable but now ached to close - and yet, you do not see all this, because you are seeing through Linden's eyes during that part, and so you know that SHE wishes she could find the strength to bridge the gap - and she finds it when she realizes she doesn't care whether he'll die in the future - she wants him now, and tells him as much.

That part, and their blissful bath in Glimmermere, where they play like children, forgetting for a little while both Sunbane and Foul, is one of the most blissful parts of the whole Chronicles - at least as blissful as Covenant entering Andelain in TWL, and more so because when he and Linden find each other again, he no longer doubts his path and future - and she no longer shrinks away from happiness :)

Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2004 2:07 pm
by Revan
As usual Xar... You put forward an excellently annoying written post that dwarf my own... Well put!

Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2004 5:49 pm
by Durris
Xar, the sequence after the Banefire caamora imprinted itself
on my peritoneum too. And especially Covenant's response to Linden's avowal:
"If I could've believed you were going to say that, I would've told Cail to bring us some blankets."

But the safe gutrock of Revelstone enclosed them with solace, and they did not need blankets.
*blink*

Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2004 6:19 pm
by amanibhavam
Your peritoneum? Weird.

Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2004 6:41 pm
by Durris
How much more internal can anything get?!

My work as a medical editor has marked my prose for life. :wink:

Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2004 8:53 pm
by variol son
'Joy is in the ears that hear - remember? You told me that. I've got joy for you to hear. Listen to me. I've beaten the Despiser - this time. The Land is safe - for now. I swear it. Now I want - Foamfollower!' Involuntary tears blurred his sight. 'I want to laugh. Take joy in it. Bring some joy into this bloody hole. Laugh!' He swung back to shout at the Lords. 'Do you hear me? Let Foul alone! Heal yourselves!'

For a long moment that almost broke his will, there was no sound in the thronehall. Lord Foul blazed contempt at his captor; the Lords stood aghast, uncomprehending; Foamfollower hung in his chains as if the burden were too greaat for him to bear.

'Help me!' Covenant cried.

Then slowly his plea made itself felt. Some prophesy in his words touched the hearts that heard him. With a terrible effort, Saltheart Foamfollower, the last of the Giants, began to laugh.

It was a gruesome sound at first; writhing in his fetters, Foamfollower spat out the laugh as if it were a curse. On that level, the Lords were able to share it. In low voices, they aimed bursts of contemptuous scorn, jeering hate, at the beaten Despiser. But as Foamfollower fought to laugh, his muscles loosened. The constriction of his throat and chest relaxed, allowing a pure wind of humour to blow the ashes of rage and pain from his lungs. Soon something like joy, something like real mirth, appeared in his voice.

The Lords responded. As it grew haler, Foamfollower's laugh became infectious; it drew the grim spectres with it. They began to unclench their hate. Clean humour ran through them, gathering momentum as it passed. Foamfollower gained joy from them, and they began to taste his joy. In moments, all their contempt or scorn had fallen away. They were no longer laughing to express their outrage at Lord Foul; they were not laughing at him at all. To their own surprise, they were laughing for the pure joy of laughter, for the sheer satisfaction and emotional ebullience of mirth.
:D

Sum sui generis
Vs

Posted: Thu May 13, 2004 3:18 am
by Durris
*bump* for Lament's delectation!

Posted: Thu May 13, 2004 5:03 am
by kaseryn
Like birdandbear said. That reunion and the grief/relief/joy it contains breaks me every time. Other moments i cant think of specifically are probably simple things said by Mhoram or FF to TC .. the innumerable kindnesses they paid him just by being who they were. Hmn.. actually another couple of the top moments for me that i can think of too are

When TC first meets Brinn and the Haruchai in TWL in Revelstone.

When the Haruchai get the chance to turn in Barathrair.. 'Should you ere such a command' and also that moment when the eye doesnt work on them lol!

When he says Nom :D

Those are some of the main ones but as i say iften its just a sentence here and there that matters the most.. what it communicates between the people. :)

Posted: Thu May 13, 2004 7:29 am
by Haruchai
amanibhavam wrote:For me the most joyous moment was when Foamfollower returned whole and purified from Hotash Slay.
Definitely one of my favourite parts!!!!! 8) And when Hergorm saved Covenant from the Kemper. That was very exciting :D

Posted: Thu May 13, 2004 9:13 am
by Lament
*bows smiling* Thank you Durris.

I cannot remember another Eucatastrophe other than when Foamfollower helped recall TC with Triock and TC recognizes SF. Soon i'll begin rereading the second chronicles and i'm sure I will find one there again.

I'm not sure if I reached an apex with this quote from the end of LFB but it came close I'm sure.
"Farewell, Unbeliever. Be true! You have wrought greatly for us. The Ranyhyn will preserve us. And with the Staff of Law and the Second Ward, we will not be unable to defend against the Despiser's ill. Take heart. Despair and bitterness are not the only songs in the world."