Kevin's Watch

Did he love Elena, Mhoram, Bannor, or Foamfollower more? And why do you think so?

Without a doubt - Foamfollower. TC said so himself (paraphrasing)

Mhoram was my friend. Elena loved me. Bannor protected me. But Foamfollower made the difference."

Well, to me, he loved Foamfollower most of all. Consider that he loved Elena, yes, but his love for her could never be boundless, because deep inside himself he knew she was his daughter, and also, he was afraid of her - and felt guilty for her fall. As for Bannor, he loved Bannor in his own way, but he could not understand the former Bloodguard completely, and thus I would rule him out too. That leaves Mhoram and Foamfollower: a hard choice indeed. Both became friends to Covenant: Mhoram was, however, of higher station in Covenant's view: his Lordship put him beyond reach so to speak - a friend, yes, but dignified, a man so tall in stature and power that Covenant could not relate to him as an equal. Of course, Covenant also spent little time with Mhoram, during his four summonings - Foamfollower, on the other hand, was almost always there, to cheer Covenant up and urge him forward, unafraid to take any risks for his friend - even though Covenant didn't feel like he was giving anything in return, and often felt ashamed that Foamfollower would do so much for him, since he considered himself unworthy of that kind of friendship. Remember that Foamfollower gave his life for Covenant on Hotash Slay ( or at least was willing to ); and it was he who, indirectly, suggested Covenant the way to defeat Foul. In a very real sense, they defeated Foul together, Foamfollower and Covenant - and even through the Second Chronicles, he was the one Covenant's thoughts ran more often to. He was the one who taught Covenant about friendship and laughter once more - and the first being who trusted him even knowing who he truly was, even knowing of his dark deeds such as Lena's rape.

Foamy

I...I...ah, never mind. Yeah, Foamfollower. (Hands mike over to Xar.)

The Foamster.

That settles it then.

danlo wrote:Foamy

heh. And you say I don't explain myself...

I agree... But I think he loved them in different ways... All different kinds of love... For example... he loved Elena in a way he could not love Foamfollower... because she was his daughter... But he valued Mhoram more than anyone... Because Linden even says something along the lines of:

He values you more than anyone. Everytime I turn around he says he wishes you were with him

I think though... That Thomas, in the Second Chronicles, would have reacted most strongly to an insult against Foamy than the others...

I always wondered why the Ur-Viles gave Vain to Foam and not one of the others... I mean I assume it's because they knew that he loved the Gaint more than the others... yet how did they know?

As I said, it's settled.

No, not until I or dAN say it is. Good, It's settled then.

the Urviles undoubtedly knew much the same way as some of Hamako's Waynhim did. They were young in the days of the Lords.


Or it could have been thier Wurd.

After Xar's post no need for any1 2 explain. That settles it. (to u and dAN!)

danlo wrote:After Xar's post no need for any1 2 explain.

Yeah, Xar is always like that... he gives such amazing answers that there is no need to reply to the thread any more... I've given him wgd for producing such excellent posts on a frequent basis.

I think he loved Foamy the most, but in the Second Chrons I think he missed Mhoram the most. All through them he keeps wishing he could have a nice long chat with Mhoram, and make use of his wisdom.

That's what Linden said.

He felt the most emotionaly attached to Foamfollower, because he was... well... manythign Covenant couldn't be.
He was an exelent storyteller, he had freedom, and didn't have limitations or doubt about the land. MOst of all, don't forget, he saved Covenant in mltiple ways. Including Vain becoming the SoL, the <i>sur-jeherrin</i> by being the Pure One, and in Hotash Slay by getting him across.

Yeah, Foamfollower rules.

Foamfollower CARRIED Covenant across Hot Ash Slay. That act alone would endear him closer than anyone.

*nods* I'm going for Foamfollower too...I don't have much substantial to add to what everyone else has already said...

But... also... Elena was his child... that's quite a close bond.

A child he didn't know about until she was 40 years old. That's not exactly close. Plus she was a product of rape and Covenant's weakness. Not something Covenant wanted to think about.