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Do you think Trell ever forgave Covenant?
Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2004 12:48 am
by JD
Do you think Trell ever forgave Covenant? After Covenant raped his daughter, was responsible for the death of his granddaughter, and Trell's wife was killed trying to summon Covenant back to the land, then Trell tried to involk the Ritual of Desecration. After all that disaster could he forgive Covenant? I doubt that I could, even though he eventually saved the land. Trell was destroyed but what happened, it literally drove him insane. I
Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2004 2:23 am
by Durris
Neither Covenant, nor himself, nor anything or anybody else (that is my understanding of what makes Desecration possible!); and perhaps especially not Atiaran, because she did forgive Covenant.
Trell has perhaps the ultimate inverse of Tan-Haruchail that is seen anywhere in the mythos.
Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2004 4:21 am
by Fist and Faith
I can't think of any reason to believe that Trell forgave Covenant.
Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2004 10:27 am
by hierachy
Nope absolutely not, and with good reason. if I was trell, I would have killed him when I had the chance.
Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2004 2:15 am
by Furls Fire
In Trell's eyes, it was Covenant who made him break his Oath of Peace, which he could never forgive himself for doing, and since he couldn't forgive himself he couldn't forgive Covenant. When Covenant meets dead Trell in Andelain in TWL, Trell never speaks to him. This always struck me, as though even in Death, Trell could not get past what the Unbeliever had done to him and his family.
Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2004 11:04 am
by Revan
CAn you blame him? No, I do not believe he ever forgave Thomas.
Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2004 3:35 pm
by aTOMiC
I don't think there was any way Trell could forgive Covenant or himself. What strikes me is the the image of the strong, loving father and husband that Trell was before TC entered his life.
Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2004 6:23 pm
by danlo
I agree with all of the above and Furls, prob, saved any further typing...
Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2004 7:26 pm
by Edinburghemma
Absolutely not! Why on Land would he?
Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2004 11:53 am
by Revan
I don't know... Maybe because his Oath of Peace requires it...
Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2004 11:56 am
by amanibhavam
Then again, I don't think TC ever wanted Trell to forgive him. He wanted to make amendments, not to receive absolution.
Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2004 11:58 am
by Revan
The same goes with all Thomas' crimes.
Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2004 3:06 pm
by Dragonlily
Yes. People kept forgiving him, and he found it painful.
Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2004 4:46 pm
by danlo
(read Furl's post Darth Trell BROKE his Oof P!!!!)
Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2004 12:03 am
by Furls Fire
Yes
Broken Oath, Broken mind...
I've said it before, I liken Trell to Kevin...both succumbing to their despair...
*winks at Fist*
Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2004 2:04 am
by Durris
...and with exactly the same result. A Ritual of Desecration.
Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 7:12 pm
by jacob Raver, sinTempter
Durris wrote:Neither Covenant, nor himself, nor anything or anybody else (that is my understanding of what makes Desecration possible!); and perhaps especially not Atiaran, because she did forgive Covenant.
Trell has perhaps the ultimate inverse of Tan-Haruchail that is seen anywhere in the mythos.
HOw could Atiaran forgive Cov, wouldn't that destroy the supposed reasoning for her trying to summon him? If that is true, then the reason she summonded him was because she also loved him and wanted him...
- The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant, Leper Pimp -
Re: Do you think Trell ever forgave Covenant?
Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 7:26 pm
by Earthfriend
JD wrote:Do you think Trell ever forgave Covenant?
No, and neither could Trell forgive himself.
Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 12:41 pm
by Krazy Kat
I say Trell did forgive Covenant. Isn't his forgiveness what made him find the Power that Preserves. Trell is a giant in my eyes!
TC Forgiveness
Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 12:33 am
by Wheelwash Whitecap
No I do not believe he could ever forgive TC. I wouldn't.
WWC