Kevin's Watch

I posted in another thread concerning TC carrying DNA made from food he ate in the Land, back to the "real" world. Dandelion responded with:

Interesting theory, Mystikan. Unfortunately, His relative condition right at the times he entered and exited the land kept most of those things from happening. Besides, when he made the conscious decision to shave in Illearth War, he was also making the decision to not prove/disprove the Land.

Granted, TC chose not to prove/disprove the Land, but his digestive tract wouldn't have given him that option. What happened to the bodily waste he left in the Land (I assume he went to the bathroom there, since he also ate there!), and the body cells he would have grown from food he ate in the Land? Even though his situation resolved to be the same at his entry and exit points, he still would have assimilated food and grown new cells from it, even though he didn't eat for a while before going back in LFB and TIW, he still ate beforehand!

True, but time is also all screwed up. So you have to factor the rate at which the body regenerate cells after ingesting food. And...

Alright I lost myself.

Forget it

Forgotten

TC's "real" body stays in our world. It doesn't actually transfer over to the land. Real earth people interact with his body every time he is in the Land. This leads me to believe that 1. It is a dream or delusion or 2. His body is replicated into the Land during summoning. that would explain why his healing in the land doesn't transfer back to his real body in the real world.

Hey! I said this was forgotten! heh

What you talkin' bout Willis?

-- If i dropped my snow cone in the land... Would I still have it when I come back to the 'real'world?


edit- egad my sig doesn't work

I always believed that the Land is a "real" place, just one that TC SPirit or conciousness is transported to and there he becomes a viable TC or one with a body. If you recall he is sent back to our world at precisly the moment that he left.

Or what I just said could be the musings of a drunken idiot with nothing else to do but ponder the existentialism of a fictional character

mmm .. interesting diversion .. TC's waste and where it oughta end up

LOL .. i dont recall TC's excrement ever being mentioned in the chrons. Interesting .. a prudent omission or maybe functions of this nature are not a part of existence in this world.

maybe this is a kind of existence where folk ingest material and utilise it completely *shrugs*

and as for being summoned back Night raven makes an excellent point!! TC's real and physical body remains in his world on each occassion .. but a form of him is summoned to the Land .. perhaps akin to his essence ..

and yet substantive enough to encounter physical like experiences .. like copulation .. battles .. eating .. etc..

Perhaps .. his DNA isnt summoned back to his world .. because simply .. his DNA remained in his world along with his physical body ..

what ever form is summoned from teh Land .. is different somehow ..

anyway gotta go eat my yumy breaky ..

and ps .. where in SA are yuo from mystikan? both rivenrock and i are from SA ..

i seem to have missed something amid all the spoilers and talk about the new books and whats gone on in between and stuff....so, didnt linden get pregnant from Covenant in the land?

yeah sure .. but this existence may not be the same as TC's world's existnece.

We know that TC's physical body was never in the Land .. a form of TC is though ..

We dont know a lot about the Land .. the existence may be entirely different from our own world .. physically and temporally speaking.

There is no issue with the exchange of bodily fluids that resulted in the pregnancy of Lena .. and potential pregnancy of LA but what kind of exchange was it that resulted in Elena? The Land may not function on the same physical/temporal plane as ours .. and clearly it is different but how is it different?

Clearly, his spirit - his core being - his essence - was summoned to the Land .. and yet in the Land .. it was endowed in some form .. a semblance of the physical but not the same as that he left in his world.

mmm .. so how does this work with the whole summoning thing?? *thinks*

his core being is returned to his physical body .. if he deficated in the Land or spilled his seed .. does that seed and that excrement remain?

I think it does because it is no longer a part of his being .. it has become external to him .. he has seperated himself from that excrement and that seed. Even though it is still his excrement and for as long as it remains .. and is still his seed .. but it is no longer a part of his being.

this will do till i can nut this through more

Actually, this could be explained through parallel universe theory. You know, the one where there's an infinte number of similar but slightly different universes, and we are in all of them but our consciousness in any one of them is focused only in that one? Then TC could have "crossed consciousness" in the summoning, transferring his awareness from his "real" universe to the Land's one...
Of course, that would mean that there are copies of all of us in the Land right now... but are we aware of those copies? And there would be a version of the Land where Lord Foul won even before TC came there, and another in which LF never existed...

Excuse me, I have to scrape my brains off the floor now...!

"TC chose not to prove/disprove the Land, but his digestive tract wouldn't have given him that option"

Did you ever notice how in the Chronicles the choices of characters are all that really matters? It's not really their actions so much as the choices they make that determine what happens. Think about it, both times Foul was defeated it was because TC and/or LA made a crucial decision to resist despite (in one form or another). These are very psychological books, and as such they completely revolve around the idea of choice. I could probably write an essay on the topic as I've been thinking about it quite a bit recently, but I'll get to the point (partially to spare you from the kind of rambling incoherence I tend to spew forth, and partially because I just don't have that kind of time to throw around). Think about how in...the Power that Preserves, I believe, when TC is partially summoned to the Land by Mhoram. Mhoram chooses to let TC save the girl and says (something like) "The Land will not be destroyed by such choices." All that ever matters is the choices they make.

Wait...that wasn't the point, was it? A bit off topic...let's try to connect these ideas. Anyway, because TC chose not to prove/disprove the existence of the Land, it doesn't matter what any kind of laws of physics or biology or whatever have to say. This is a psychological book, and his decision is all that matters.

Good points, Ur-Lord. However, what matters to us in this sense is whether the Land is real or not by the food issue. I agree that it's a psychological book (well, for me anyway), and so think the Land is not real, but others here try to prove it by looking at the changes in TC's physical self.
Things happen to him at the end to make him match up with the body in our world. For instance at the end of LFB he wakes up in a hospital wearing patient robes. Well, notice in halfway through LFB he changes into a robe? i think it's at that point in which the hospital makes him wear a robe in our world. In effect, his psyche/the Land change his appearance to match this. Same with food and shaving.

Ur-Vile wrote:Good points, Ur-Lord. However, what matters to us in this sense is whether the Land is real or not by the food issue. I agree that it's a psychological book (well, for me anyway), and so think the Land is not real, but others here try to prove it by looking at the changes in TC's physical self.
Things happen to him at the end to make him match up with the body in our world. For instance at the end of LFB he wakes up in a hospital wearing patient robes. Well, notice in halfway through LFB he changes into a robe? i think it's at that point in which the hospital makes him wear a robe in our world. In effect, his psyche/the Land change his appearance to match this. Same with food and shaving.

Hmmm....this is interesting. I wonder if this parallel could be carried over to Power That Preserves. Specifically, he rescues the child from the rattlesnake, passes out and succumbs to the summoning by Triock and Foamfollower, then he wakes up in the "real world" having been treated with anti-venin.

Perhaps his amanibhavam-induced madness and subsequent healing of his broken ankle roughly correlates to the venom taking hold in his body and being admitted to the hospital soon after?

That's what I think.

Great thread!

My personal opinion is the same as sky's

But there is one problem with it: Linden has Thomas' ring at the end of WGW.