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An abscence of a musical culture in The Land.
Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 11:31 am
by Roynish
Correct me if I am wrong but does music or musical instruments appear to be absent for the most part.
I know their are the songs of the giants.
But did a band exist in the land that layed down some tunes for the Revelstoners to party to or something.
I am not saying Donaldson did not think about this but hey in a society like the land surely their were some musos. LOL.
It is a much more visual and internal mind that is obviously D's focus.
Music however and its abscence does lend a little bit of sterility. We see great works of art but hear few, apart from the songs that litter the text.
Look I am writing this late at night and there could be mentions of music much more specific, but hey let me know.
Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 12:36 pm
by danlo
Didn't the Lords sing, or at least had a precursor song, when we fist meet them in LFB. And there was definately the singer of
Kevin's Lament in TIW-I think it was indicated that there were other singers about...I don't recall any intruments mentioned, And the Stonedowners either sang or chanted-both, I think. Did Atiaran sing? I think so...

Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 1:08 pm
by amanibhavam
Pitchwife had the flute, so instruments were known.
A lot of everyday details are missing from the Land, SRD's style seems to be to concentrate on the story itself and the inner proceedings of the main characters, not to lay down an economically-geographically-historically coherent fabric as Tolkien did.
Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 1:45 pm
by danlo
Ay! I always forget about Pitch's flute! Very good catch ami! (**kicks self hard-but mainly to actually wake-up, this morning**)
Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 2:11 pm
by Dragonlily
Atiaran's voice enthralled him. No instruments aided her singing, but before she had finished her first line, he knew she did not need them. The clean thread of her melody was tapestried with unexpected resonances, implied harmonies, echoes of silent voices, so that on every rising motif she seemed about to expand into three or four singers, throats separate and unanimous in the song.
LFB
Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 2:34 pm
by danlo
That's a very interesting point Joy! Like healthsense and earthsight I've always imagined that the vibrant (Earthpowered) quality of the Land itself either accompanys any song rendered or answers it by immediately echoing multifacted aspects of that song. An instantaneous exchange of gifts, as it were. The singer in TIW is described the same way, if not more intensely, as in your Atiaran quote.
Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 3:49 pm
by Durris
Yikes, Danlo, I hadn't thought of that but it both fits with how the Land of the First Chrons. relates to its people, and makes SRD's descriptions of "self-harmonized" voices more than figures of speech.
Have you read McCaffrey's Killashandra and/or Crystal Singer and Crystal Line? What you described sounded in my mind's ear somewhat similar to the vibrations of Ballybran crystal--if much more varied in "orchestration".
Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 4:04 pm
by danlo
No never read any McCaffrey--tried to get into her Pern story in the Legends collection, but never quite could.
Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 5:03 pm
by Furls Fire
Music?? Do you all want music??
The Power That Preserves: Chapter 13, The Healer
But before she could stab out his life, consummate his unclean pain in death, a host of glaucous, alien gleams leaped like music into the air around her. They fell on her like dew, clung to her like moist melody, stayed her hand; they confined her power and her anguish, held all things within her until her taut, soundless cry imploded. They contained her until she broke under the strain of things that could not be contained. Then they let her fall.
Gleaming like the grief of trees, they sang themselves away.
The One Tree: Chapter 2, Black Mood
Then Pitchwife began to sing. He stood some distance away, but his voice carried like light across the dromond, rising strongly from his deformed chest over the slapping of the waves and the snap of the canvas. His tune was a plain-song spiced with accents and suggestions of harmony; and the other Giants joined him:
"Come sea and wave --
broad footpath of those who roam
and gateway to the world!
All ways lead the way to Home.
"Come wind and speed-
sky-breath and the life of sail!
Lines and sheets unfurled,
our hearts covet every gale.
"Come travel and quest!
Discovery of the Earth:
mysteries unknurled:
roaming without stint or dearth:
"Risk and journey save
the heart of life from loss and need.
We are the ocean's guest,
and we love the vasty world!"
The Giants were joyful singers, and their voices formed a counterpoint to the rocking of the masts, a song punctuated by a rising staccato as the breeze knocked the canvas. Star-fare's Gem appeared to ride music as well as wind
The One Tree, Chapter 6: The Questimoon
Around her, Linden thought she heard the sound of bells. They rang delicately in the distance, enhancing the woods with music. But none of her companions appeared to notice the chiming; and she could not stop to question it. It felt like the language of the trees, tanging and changing until it formed words she almost understood, though the meaning slipped away into music whenever she tried to grasp it. The bells were as lovely as the leaves; and yet in a vague way they disquieted her. She was troubled by an intuitive sense that she needed to comprehend them.
The Wounded Land, Chapter 12: The Andelianian Hills
Thus the Wraiths brought him to a tall knoll, bare of trees but opulently grassed. There the chiming faded into a stronger music. The very air became the song to which the stars measured out then- gavotte, and every blade of grass was a note in the harmony. It was a stern song behind its quietude, and it held a long sorrow which he understood. The Wraiths remained at the base of the knoll, forming a long ring around it; but the music carried him upward, toward the crest.
And then the song took on words, so distinct that they could never be forgotten. They were sad and resolute, and he might have wept at them if he had been less entranced.
"Andelain I hold and mold within my fragile spell,
While world's ruin ruins wood and wold.
Sap and bough are grief and grim to me, engrievement fell,
And petals fall without relief.
Astricken by my power's dearth,
I hold the glaive of Law against the Earth.
"Andelain I cherish dear within my mortal breast;
And faithful I withhold Despiser's wish.
But faithless is my ache for dreams and slumbering and rest,
And burdens make my courage break.
The Sunbane mocks my best reply,
And all about and in me beauties die.
"Andelain! I strive with need and loss, and ascertain
That the Despiser's might can rend and rive.
Each falter of my ancient heart is all the evil's gain;
And it appalls without relent.
I cannot spread my power more,
Though teary visions come of wail and gore.
"Oh, Andelain! forgive! for I am doomed to fail this war.
I cannot bear to see you die-and live,
Foredoomed to bitterness and all the gray Despiser's lore.
But while I can I heed the call
Of green and tree; and for their worth,
I hold the glaive of Law against the Earth."
Slowly through the music, Covenant beheld the singer.
The Illeath War, Chapter 8: "Lord Kevin's Lament"
When she reached the stage, she did not speak, said nothing to introduce or explain or identify her song. Instead, she took her stance in the center of the stage, composed herself for a moment as the song came over her, then lifted her face to the sun and opened her throat.
At first, her melody was restrained, arid and angular -only hinting at burned pangs and poignancies.
I stood on the pinnacle of the Earth:
Mount Thunder,
its Lions in full flaming mane,
raised its crest no higher
than the horizons that my gaze commanded;
the Ranyhyn,
hooves unfettered since the Age began,
galloped gladly to my will;
iron-thewed Giants
from beyond the sun's birth in the sea
came to me in ships as mighty as castles,
and cleft my castle from the
raw Earth rock
and gave it to me out of pure friendship
a handmark of allegiance and fealty
in the eternal stone of Time;
the Lords under my Watch labored
to find and make manifest
the true purpose of the Earth's Creator,
barred from His creation by the very
power of that purpose-
power graven into the flesh and bone of the Land
by the immutable Law of its creation:
how could I stand so,
so much glory and dominion comprehended
by the outstretch of my arms
stand thus,
eye to eye with the Despiser,
and not be dismayed?
But then the song changed, as if the singer opened inner chambers to give her voice more resonance. In high, arching spans of song, she gave out her threnody -highlighted it and underscored it with so many implied harmonies, so many suggestions of other accompanying voices, that she seemed to have a whole choir within her, using her one throat for utterance.
Where is the Power that protects
beauty from the decay of life?
preserves truth pure of falsehood?
secures fealty from that slow stain of chaos
which corrupts?
How are we so rendered small by Despite?
Why will the very rocks not erupt
for their own cleansing,
or crumble into dust for shame?
Creator!
When You desecrated this temple,
rid Yourself of this contempt by
inflicting it upon the Land,
did You intend
that beauty and truth should pass utterly from the Earth?
Have You shaped my fate into the Law of life?
Am I effectless?
Must I preside over,
sanction,
acknowledge with the bitter face of treachery,
approve
the falling of the world?
Her music ached in the air like a wound of song. And as she finished, the people came to their feet with a rush. Together they sang into the fathomless heavens:
Ah, Creator!
Timelord and Landsire!
Did You intend
that beauty and truth should pass utterly from the Earth?
Oh there is music!!! Music everywhere in the Chrons
The Illearth War, Chapter 20: Garroting Deep
As his singing faded into the distance, he heard the reply. Its music far surpassed his own. It seemed to fall from the branches like leaves bedewed with rare melody-to fall and flutter around him, so that he stared as if he were dazzled. The voice had a light, high, clear sound, like a splashing brook, but the power it implied filled him with awe.
But ax and fire leave me dead.
I know the hate of hands grown bold.
Depart to save your heart-sap's red:
My hate knows neither rest nor weal.
A shimmer of music rippled his sight. When it cleared, he saw Caerroil Wildwood walking toward him across the greensward.
Ah, sweet music

Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 7:01 pm
by Myste
Oh, well done, Furls! Bravo!
Posted: Tue May 11, 2004 3:37 am
by Dragonlily
Durris wrote:Have you read McCaffrey's Killashandra and/or Crystal Singer and Crystal Line? What you described sounded in my mind's ear somewhat similar to the vibrations of Ballybran crystal--if much more varied in "orchestration".
Durris, the crystal song is what I most love CRYSTAL SINGER for.

Posted: Tue May 11, 2004 3:43 am
by Durris
If there were a RL Heptite Guild I'd be tempted to try out for it (I have pretty accurate pitch-sense, though it was better before I played B-flat clarinet--now my head is a transposing instrument!)