Forgive me for saying this, but were it not for "Empire Strikes Back" I don't think we'd be talking about Star Wars like we do today, and George Lucas's ghastly new movies would be only sidebar mentions in movie-mags.
Empire Strikes Back was the best, bah to all who disagree
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Empire Strikes Back was the best, bah to all who disagree
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I am in full support of every comment made so far. Star Wars woke us up but Empire made us pay attention. Were it not for the Ewoks Jedi may have been a worthy conclusion to the storyline. Menace is fairly bland prologue (a lot of people I know can't read Lord Foul's Bane because they cant get past "Golden Boy" but it is absolutely needed component) Menace might be boring but its information is important to the over all story. Attack of the Clones seems to reach a little further into genuine entertainment but it suffers badly from the emotionless acting between Christiansen and Portman. I still hold some small hope for the final film.
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Empire = Art.
Episodes 1 & 2 = ABC Movies Of The Week.
Episodes 1 & 2 = ABC Movies Of The Week.
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So do I. Episode IV was a milestone movie, and fully stands on its own. Episode VI was good, even if it was partially ruined by Ewoks. Episode I has great fight scenes, the outstanding Pod Race, and Jar-Jar isn't enough of a bad thing. Episode II is also good, though the Anakin/Padme romance needed more acting and less dialogue.
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I liked episode IV but loved V and thought VI was just too happy..... except for the Darth/Luke/Emperor Sidius fight which was truly great.
So yeah, Empire made it all worthwhile.
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So yeah, Empire made it all worthwhile.
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I'm not EVEN going to touch the topics of Eps I and II they don't count in my book and never will. I'll watch Ep. III just to say that I hated that one as well.
A New Hope: Definitely I agree could've stood on it's own without any sequel (or YEECCHH prequel). Wonderful film and one of my best childhood memories.
Empire Strikes Back: Definitely good with the shocker of the decade thrown in for good measure.
Return Of The Jedi: Great except for those cutesy Ewoks. Lucas only put them in there to make the film sell more KIDS toys. For some reason he wanted some comic relief and some AWWWEs in the theater when Wicket first showed his pudgey furry face. Remember the little hand puppets that were supposedly Ewok children? C'mon pluzzzeeezzzeee. Then there was that christmas special... wasn't that widdle blonde girl cute? Almost as cute as an ewok huh?
Marketing, marketing, that's where Lucas belongs... among other places.
You can tell that Lucas did some serious drugs when he allowed the presence of JAR JAR
to infiltrate his series. And widdle ANNIE! Grrr... grrr... NO 9 yr old kid is gonna be able to handle a device capable of moving at 700 miles per hour PERIOD... the g-forces would've squashed him and the control would've been just IMPOSSIBLE...
other voices: Oh, but he had the force helping him!
Bend down and bite me will ya! No kid is capable period. If you believe that then let your 9 year old or a neighbor's 9 yr. old drive your car at top speed.
Anakin the KID was just another marketing ploy to sell more toys. Lucas made more money from Star Wars merchandise than he did off the films.
Same thing with Widdle Boba Fett. Hmm Anakin is growed up... I know lets make Boba Fett a kid.
Oh and the "no father" thing with Annie... what the hell was that? A messiah complex?
BAH BAH BAH on episodes one and two
A New Hope: Definitely I agree could've stood on it's own without any sequel (or YEECCHH prequel). Wonderful film and one of my best childhood memories.
Empire Strikes Back: Definitely good with the shocker of the decade thrown in for good measure.
Return Of The Jedi: Great except for those cutesy Ewoks. Lucas only put them in there to make the film sell more KIDS toys. For some reason he wanted some comic relief and some AWWWEs in the theater when Wicket first showed his pudgey furry face. Remember the little hand puppets that were supposedly Ewok children? C'mon pluzzzeeezzzeee. Then there was that christmas special... wasn't that widdle blonde girl cute? Almost as cute as an ewok huh?
Marketing, marketing, that's where Lucas belongs... among other places.
You can tell that Lucas did some serious drugs when he allowed the presence of JAR JAR
to infiltrate his series. And widdle ANNIE! Grrr... grrr... NO 9 yr old kid is gonna be able to handle a device capable of moving at 700 miles per hour PERIOD... the g-forces would've squashed him and the control would've been just IMPOSSIBLE... other voices: Oh, but he had the force helping him!
Bend down and bite me will ya! No kid is capable period. If you believe that then let your 9 year old or a neighbor's 9 yr. old drive your car at top speed.
Anakin the KID was just another marketing ploy to sell more toys. Lucas made more money from Star Wars merchandise than he did off the films.
Same thing with Widdle Boba Fett. Hmm Anakin is growed up... I know lets make Boba Fett a kid.
Oh and the "no father" thing with Annie... what the hell was that? A messiah complex?
BAH BAH BAH on episodes one and two
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Episode IV has some truly great scenes, along with the action and cliche...but I agree that Episode V is slightly better...
...that said, here's an Empire trailer with a nuanced beginning, thought it was really good: Empire Trailer
...that said, here's an Empire trailer with a nuanced beginning, thought it was really good: Empire Trailer
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Why was ESB the best?
Just curious.
Just curious.
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This article explains most of the why.High Lord Tolkien wrote:Why was ESB the best?
Just curious.
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Star Wars equals good fun. I'm old enough to remember how groundbreaking it was.
Empire Strikes Back equals good film.
Return of the Muppets equals meh.
I'm pretending the others weren't even made. I put them in the same catagory with Highlander 2: the Quickening
Empire Strikes Back equals good film.
Return of the Muppets equals meh.
I'm pretending the others weren't even made. I put them in the same catagory with Highlander 2: the Quickening
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That's not funny goddamn it. (Ok it was a little bit funny but it was bloody bloody annoying.)
They didn't even really violate canon as far as I remember. (Except maybe about who Luke's mother was, and even then only if you consider the (sanctioned) novel series as such. (Which I do, pretty much.)
Now sure, they had some cringeworthy parts, and they didn't do the best job of some things, but they weren't that bad.
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No way man. The prequels are nothing like the Highlander movie that didn't happen.Kalkin wrote:I'm pretending the others weren't even made. I put them in the same catagory with Highlander 2: the Quickening
They didn't even really violate canon as far as I remember. (Except maybe about who Luke's mother was, and even then only if you consider the (sanctioned) novel series as such. (Which I do, pretty much.)
Now sure, they had some cringeworthy parts, and they didn't do the best job of some things, but they weren't that bad.
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Avatar wrote:That's not funny goddamn it. (Ok it was a little bit funny but it was bloody bloody annoying.)
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