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Star Trek Deep Space Nine struck me funny when it first premiered. A Star Trek show that wasn't based on a star ship? What the heck? No captain?
To be honest I was about as addicted to Star Trek as a person could be and they could have put up an hour of Tribble races and I would have tuned in.
I clicked with the characters instantly. Sisko was a strong leader that was destined for greatness and eventual captainship. Though the crew had a few "Runabouts" the show seemed to gain a sense of genuine mobility when the Defiant (and Worf) was added to the mix. Quark was conniving and lovable. Kira somewhat irritating and noble. Garrak was an interesting puzzle to be unraveled. Odo was unique, impressive and tragic. Bashir always seemed as though he tried too hard and as it turns out was keeping an interesting secret. Though the Dominion was a very interesting nemesis it was Gul Dukat that aptly drew our wrath every time he showed his ugly face on screen. What a great villain. :-)
All in all Deep Space Nine had more depth and therefore less of a broad appeal then its relatives making it one of my favorites.
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I agree. In all of the ST universe, this was the most unique of the shows. I liked the whole Bajoran mysticism story as well.
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Star Trek Voyager is by far the best and whups the arse of DS9. Nutters.
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Oh, Emma; you don't know how that saddens me. Voyager was to me the death knell of Star Trek, and only now have I recovered enough to give Enterprise a look.
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YEP, DS9 rules! My favorite out of all the various series. The writing was excellent, Sisko's role as the Emissary brought great stories, and we got to see lots of hot Bajoran women! But I hated all those damn Ferengi stories.
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I gotta rank DS9 right in the middle myself.

My ranking has always been Original, Next Generation, DS9, Voyager and Enterprise. Notice a pattern here?

The law of diminishing returns in action. :roll:
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I must admit that when it first came out, I wasn't too keen on it. A guy I knew had all the episodes of each storyline on tape, and when I borrowed a couple of his Next Gen tapes, one of them had the first part of Homecoming on it as well.

I watched it for lack of anything better to do, and I was suddenly hooked! Had to watch the next two parts, then went back and watched DS9 from the beginning again. Definitely a favourite of mine now.

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One of my sisters loaned me three VHS cassette tapes of three Deep Space Nine episodes, so I thought I would review them in this thread. (Previously, a different sister gave me VHS tapes of episodes from the original ST series and from The Next Generation. I reviewed those episodes in the ORIGINAL SERIES and THE NEXT GENERATION threads in this subforum.)

The three DS9 episodes are:
"If Wishes Were Horses" (#16)
"Visionary" (#63)
"Trials and Tribble-ations"" (#103)
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A 20-year thread resurrection!!! Well done!!
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Well, THANK YOU, Fist! It was a thread relevant to my current purposes, so I thought why not use it.
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"If Wishes Were Horses"

I remember that I had a whimsical, mildly-amused feeling from first watching this episode. Later viewings steered me toward the feeling that the episode is more cute than convincing. By which I mean, it would have served this episode's aliens better on their information quest to be straight up instead of disguising themselves and thereby causing chaos.

A number of fantastical visits to the station occur one day, not long after Liutenant Dax detects elevated thoron emissions within a plasma field in nearby space. Jake Sisko meets 200-years-deceased baseball legend Buck Bokai, who then follows Jake out of the holosuite and meets Commander Sisko. Chief O'Brien is harassed by talkative gnome Rumplestilskin whom he fears, because the gnome won't stop bargaining for possession of the Chief's daughter Molly. Doctor Bashir gets a decidedly decision-averse Dax doppleganger.Odo deals with big flightless birds (I think he calls them, "Gunji jackdaws") running around the Promenade.

People all over the station start reporting physical manifestations of their recent imaginings. And a subspace rupture with a center that swallows up anything adjacent to it appears near the station--but the rupture turns out to be a creation of Dax's imagination. Major Kira imagines shockwaves hitting the station from the subspace rupture, so shockwaves do indeed start hitting the station. Sisko figures out what's going on and orders Dax and Kira to quell their imaginations, and those threats to the station from without cease.

So it's all down to aliens from through the wormhole visiting the station disguised as products if the station's denizens' imaginings, and the aliens hope to learn more about the intelligent life of the Alpha Quadrant in this manner. The "Buck Bokai" alien he had a connection with Sisko after telling Sisko he could hear and appreciate Sisko's cheering in the baseball stands. He exports his fellow aliens to keep up with their investigations, confidently stating, "It ain't over 'til it's over!" tells Sisko who he is at the last, and praises the power of everybody's imaginations. Sisko allows that imagination has its advantages.

This episode on beliefs in imaginations is cute, but not especially deep. Still, the Buck Bokai alien had a passable rationale for why he and his fellow Gamma Quadrant aliens disguised themselves: "You never know how they're going to treat the visiting team". Yeah, okay. I guess.
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"Visionary"

In this episode, Chief O'Brien can experience events from several hours in the future after an exploding plasma conduit knocks him unconscious while he was trying to re-route a phase inducer on DS9's bridge.

The Chief materializes about five hours into the future for about a minute each jump, then is returned to his proper time.

The good news is that events he sees can be prevented/avoided once known (though that of course denotes a temporal paradox, of which there are MANY in this episode--I don't tend to worry too much about them, when I'm just wanting to enjoy the story, here).

The bad news is that O'Brien will die unless Bashir does a "basilar arterial scan" on him and then does corrective surgery based on that scan's findings. (A good moment is when future Bashir tells time-traveling O'Brien that when he gets back to present Bashir, present Bashir must do that scan on O'Brien while there's still time. O'Brien relates this, and present Bashir asks incredulously, "Who told you THAT?!?" To which the Chief returns, "YOU did--in the future." To which Bashir replies, "Well, who am I to argue with me?" I found that an enjoyable moment.)

This is a suspensefully entertaining episode, as most "tormenting Chief O'Brien" episodes turn out to be, but it's better than most of them because of the engaging way the plot twists keep going off into dramatically new directions. First it's about preventing a fight at Quark's, then it's about saving the Chief's life in two different ways, and finally it's about protecting the station and the wormhole entrance (and perhaps also the wormhole alens?) from destruction.

Romulans are on the station to question the station's crew and denizens about their encounter with the Dominion's Founders (it was part of an agreement whereby the Romulans gave the Defiant a cloaking device), and the two intelligence officers doing the questioning (Jack Shearer and Annette Helde) are quite demanding, accusatory, and relentless in their interrogation. (At one point, they demand to know of Kira if Odo has shown any physical feelings toward her, and she tells them they "can rip out the cloaking device" for all she cares, she's not and that they had better not ask that question of Odo unless they want to find themselves "floating out of the nearest bulkhead!")

Eventually, one of Chief O'Brien's future jumps shows the wormhole entrance being destroyed by a suddenly-decloaked Romulan warbird, followed by that warbird destroying the station. The B-story of the Romulan visitors becomes the explanation for the main plot point (O'Brien's time jumping. The information the Chief gains from these jumps foils the Romulan attack plans, and the special guest treatment is over for the pointy-eared probers.

When I looked up this episode in the Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Companion, I discovered to my surprise that some of DS9's writers consider this episode a poor fit for DS9, with its sci-fi technical explanations more suited to The Next Generation than for a character-driven show like DS9. Ira Stephen Behr, a writer and later producer of DS9 seems especially to espouse this view. Have seen some posts by Trekkies on the web that agree that this episode is too much like a TNG story to work for DS9.

I don't agree.

I think the use of the regular DS9 cast in this episode plays to each character's strengths. Even though "Visionary" is an O'Brien story, it effectively gives most of the main characters a chance to shine. From Kira's anger with the Romulans ("that is the most riduculous thing I have ever heard, and I resent the implication!", and her meaningful look of "Good riddence!" when Sisko has them escorted to the transporters), to Sisko's blunt announcement to the Romulans that 50 photon torpedoes are locked on their ship right now, to Bashir jokingly telling O'Brien "you have a sadly deficient fantasy life", to Dax discovering the orbiting singularity that affects the Chief's time jumps (and turns out to be thecwarp core of a Romulan warbird), to Odo's shining moments in his investigations concerning a booby-trapped surveillance device beamed tightly into a wall panel, near where the Romulans are staying as guests:
SISKO: Do you have any evidence besides the fact that Klingons hate Romulans?

ODO: Not yet. But don't worry, I plan on investigating the Klingons, the Bajorans, Quark, the visiting Terrelians.

SISKO: You think Quark had something to do with this?

ODO: I always investigate Quark!
Another moment I like in "Visionary" with Odo and Sisko is when the former goes telling the latter all the contacts he has used to discover a device that can change a replicator to a transporter. Sisko has Odo get to the point, and after Odo does so, Sisko asks Odo why he had to first tell him about all the people he had to talk to get the information, instead of first relating his discovered information. Odo's reply, "Sometimes I have to remind you just how good I am," is unusually self-congratulatory for him, and that made me regard the moment as amusing (we all know he's right about being so good an investigator, after all).

And I feel I must mention Quark's part in this episode, as I find it as entertaining as the rest of the character trajectories. Quark calls the Chief "DS9's fortune teller", which O'Brien finds unacceptable. Then Quark asks the traumatized Chief if he is in a future time jump and passing through the bar, "would it really hurt to look at the numbers coming up on the wheel? I can make it worth your while". That the Chief finds Quark's request outrageously insensitive makes it funnier to me. And that moment sets up the final scene. The episode ends on a nice laugh about Quark. The Chief walks up to Quark, leans over to Quark and tells him calmly, "Quark...dabo," Then he walks away, leaving Quark puzzled ("Dabo?"). A few seconds later, the gambling patrons shout out, "DABO!!!" Quark hurries toward the Chief, hoping persuade him to take on more radiation to enable time jumps that could make both of them rich. The Chief laughingly dismisses Quark and walks on. This plays out nicely.

GREAT STORY!!! And I feel it's a great fit for DS9's main characters and setting. :thumbsup:
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"Trials and Tribble-ations"

Being a fan of the original Star Trek series (the first two seasons of it, anyway), I naturally enjoyed this episode integrating old and newly-made film footage for a clever tribute to 30 years of Star Trek.

It starts out funny with Liutenant Dax's joke that Federation Temporal Investigators are "ALWAYS on time". That gets a grin from Major Kira, but disapproving stonefaces from the two Temporal Investigation representatives sent to grill Sisko over why he decided to take the Defiant back through time.

Another moment in this episode that gets me chuckling is when Worf and Odo are in the bar of Space Station K-7, and Worf informs Odo that a Klingon armpterada obliterated the Tribble home world after the Empire sent command units to eradicate Tribbles from the rest of the galaxy. Odo's sarcastic response is great: "Another glorious chapter in Klingon history! Tell me, do they still sing songs of 'The Great Tribble Hunt'?" I am completely LMAO.

Another moment getting a big laugh from me is when young Liutenant Watley of the starship Enterprise flirts with Doctor Bashir by dropping the information that she is in for a physical exam at 1500 hours that day, the stressed her name to him again and saunters off with a swagger. O'Brien, who witnesses this revelation, half-heartedly cracks to Bashir, "You realize she was only using you to get to me." That's funny, but what happens next is even funnier.

Then, Bashir declares to O'Brien that because Watley is a surname in his genealogy, that he MUST BE destined to have a romantic interlude with the brash young Liutenant--the very reality of his birth is at stake! O'Brien sure doesn't buy it, so when Sisko via communicator asks O'Brien if he and Bashir are ready to be beamed over to Space Station K-7, "Are we ever!" is the Chief's fervent reply. Bashir's taunt towards O'Brien from having his romantic notion frustrated is my favorite moment of this episode: "I CAN'T WAIT to see the look on your face when we get back and you find out I no longer EXIST!" Comedy gold! :lol:

A fun and clever episode!
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There are many DS9 episodes I have not seen. Tribbles is one I love! I only saw it once, but it was great, and now I'll have to watch it this weekend. A moment I thought was brilliant was learning that the reason the tribbles were so annoyingly dropping onto Kirk, leading to his anguished, "...close that door," is that Dax and Sisko were casually tossing them away while searching for the bomb, and they were falling through the door onto Kirk! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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As soon as I finish my roll through a rewatch of Voyager, I am going to move on to DS9. I do recall the first season not being my favorite but that is normal for new series. I am sure I missed many of them and am looking forward to watching the ones I missed for the first time.
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I really didn't like the first season or two. Moreso than the usual, as you say, normal first year growing pains. They just had hints of things, and didn't follow up. Like Odo. So I stopped watching for a long time. How was I to know they were playing a long game?? How often does that happen on tv??
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