What is it you believe?

[Loredoctor]

And chained and limited.

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Love free's you, but it enslaves you as well. The same can be said for the Truth

It raises us, and binds us in iron chains.

But excuse me, weren't you the one saying that you thought you were in love with a respondent to your experiment?

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[Revan]

Love free's you, but it enslaves you as well. The same can be said for the Truth

It raises us, and binds us in iron chains.

But excuse me, weren't you the one saying that you thought you were in love with a respondent to your experiment?

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Not in love... I don't think he could fall in love in that short a time. But very impressed by her; and he liked her a lot... maybe Ur-Vile will experience love *Hopes Ur-Vile will be happy*

[Loredoctor]

I never said I was in love with her, just attracted.

Darth - I was once, well I thought I was.

[Revan]

I never said I was in love with her, just attracted.

Darth - I was once, well I thought I was.

I'm really sorry to hear that Ur-Vile. I hope you will experience it again someday; and be happy with that person.

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Chances are, (hopefully) that he will be happy regardless of whether or not he finds love. It's certainly not something we should consider a requirement for happiness.

But it tends to surprise you when you least expect it, and have given up looking.

I know this from personal experience. Have been with the GF for seven years now, and never happier, but it was sure a shock to me when it happened.

Peace
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[Revan]

Let's carry on with the discussion

[Avatar]

Well then, What is it that you believe?

[Revan]

Well then, What is it that you believe?

That was just a post edit.

I don't believe that there is a God... I dislike religion and all it's manifestations.

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Don't have to believe in god, surely must believe in something. I dislike all organised religion, and the concept of a patriarchal, controlling god with a vested interest in our subservience, but I still believe in things.

Admittedly often because I like them, or becuase they amuse me, since I completely lack faith in pretty much anything but myself, but I still call them "beliefs".

[CovenantJr]

I believe in my rubbishness. Argh

[Revan]

I believe in something higher... i don't believe, however, that an almightly being created us... or that he is a pure being.

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Well, there you go then, and fair enough. So what caused us to be here? Random chance? Chaos? A really sick joke?

I usually tend to vacillate between those options, with a strong bent toward a random, chaotic sick joke.

(my deity has a sense of humour)

Cj-- I've already got my hands full telling Darth not to put himself down. Do you want me to start on you too?

--A

[Revan]

Well, there you go then, and fair enough. So what caused us to be here? Random chance? Chaos? A really sick joke?

I usually tend to vacillate between those options, with a strong bent toward a random, chaotic sick joke.

(my deity has a sense of humour)

--A

heh.

No... I really don't know why we're here... and can't even begin to come up with any theories. i think such questions lie beyond human comprehension.

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Why not? If the universe is truly infinite, then anything, no matter how improbable, must be true somewhere. (I don't necessarily believe this)

The only thing we cannot truly comprehend is ourselves. I once read somewhere that if the brain was simple enough to understand, we'd be too simple to understand it.

--A

[Revan]

Why not? If the universe is truly infinite, then anything, no matter how improbable, must be true somewhere. (I don't necessarily believe this)

But we can never know... I believe that even if there was a God. He'd be completely beyond our comprehension.

The only thing we cannot truly comprehend is ourselves. I once read somewhere that if the brain was simple enough to understand, we'd be too simple to understand it.
--A

That is an amazing quote. I truly believe that humans will never come to understand themselves, there purpose in life, fully.

[Avatar]

... I believe that even if there was a God. He'd be completely beyond our comprehension.

Perhaps our mistake lies in attempting to attribute human motivations to things which may not be human? Or may not have any motivation?(Although I contest that god is human, in that it is the belief of people that gave rise to him/her/it)

--A

[Revan]

... I believe that even if there was a God. He'd be completely beyond our comprehension.

Perhaps our mistake lies in attempting to attribute human motivations to things which may not be human? Or may not have any motivation?(Although I contest that god is human, in that it is the belief of people that gave rise to him/her/it)

--A

Perhaps... but I have to disagree that a God can ever be human... it's impossible... otherwise he is not God. He would be as frail and petty as the rest of us... he would have to be divine in some way.

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But don't you think that on the whole humanity have portrayed their gods as being and doing exactly what people would do if they had these powers? Can we not percieve some form of pettiness, childishness or insecurity in all offered forms of god?

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[Revan]

But don't you think that on the whole humanity have portrayed their gods as being and doing exactly what people would do if they had these powers? Can we not percieve some form of pettiness, childishness or insecurity in all offered forms of god?

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Not really... I mean say that there is a God... why would he make us to be in any way? To make us what we are is to rob our freedom. And I'm sure "God" didn't create humans just to watch us work his will. To believe in such a Creator would be silly.