Kevin's Watch

Am I the only one who gets annoyed with these two people giving each other digs all the time during the book? I am. It's so stupid. I mean they are, basically, arguing over something that their peoples had conflicts with over 7000 years!!!

Yes, I say again:

7000 years!!!

I really can't believe it. It's so sad, personally, it some dudes that came from the same race of people my race didn't like over 7000 years ago; I wouldn't sit there making stabs at him for it. I really wouldn't care less, it was in the past, and, let me stress again, 7000 years in the past. Really, it's quite sad and annoying. Ever heard the pharse "Forgive and forget". Well, my good Ramen, I have another one for you:

Shut your bloody whining over something your people had a problem with over 7000 years (Yes, 7000) ago and get over it".

well you only have to look at the distrust between the West and the Middle East to see how these kind of things can develop and become an unfixable divide.

"We do not forget."

I think this was a poor choice of forum topic names...It could upset people who read it before having read Runes.

But keep in mind that in fantasy, ideas from the real world are often exaggerated, especially with an author like SRD who deliberately writes his books to have real life relevance. You've got two incredibly prideful, stubborn groups of people, and one group does something that upsets the other. Seperate them for millenia, with the Haruchai communal mind that never forgets and the Ramen stories in a society that forces its members to remember its past...You're not likely to find much forgiving and forgetting from either party.

Making characters infuriating is an SRD speciality

Dunno, I thought the Ramen acted exactly the same as they did in the first chrons.

UHUH, BOTH the Ramen and Haruchai are the same. As they should be. The Haruchai didn't change from the First Chronicles to the Second, so why should this be any diff? Like the above post says, "We do not forget". And it is not surprising the Rameb hold a grudge considering they have always blamed the Haruchai for riding Ranyhyn into danger. I just thought there was maybe a little too much of the bickering. Wasn't excessive, just a little like 2 kids. "did not...did too"

Now, will the fact that

Spoiler

the Ramen themselves ride Rhanyhn into the past

help settlle the grudge?

The problem with both the Ramen and Haruchai is that there is no middle ground; there are only absolutes.
Either the Haruchai triumph, or they fail utterly; they do not put merit in trying. It's not good enough.
Same for the Ramen....either they save the Ranyhn, or they fail the meaning of their lives.

Forget the fact that those who don't learn from the past are destined to repeat it. And as Darth says, that's 7000 years of past from which to draw.

The Ramen annoyed me more than the Haruchai did. To be honest, I really don't think that the Haruchai have don't that bad to the Land.

Darth Revan wrote:To be honest, I really don't think that the Haruchai have don't that bad to the Land.

Darth, are you typing while drunk again?

Well... yeah, they screwed up in some ways... but if you think about it, they really didn't have no choice. Earthpower could serve despite. It's done so before. Look at Kevin, look at Trell at Elena. The list is endless. True, Earthpower helped a lot. Of course it did. But anything that can help is a greatb bane if it is turned against you. The Haruchai had no choice in their own terms.

Er... by the same token, simple human beings, or even the Haruchai themselves, could also be turned and serve Despite, possibly wreaking havoc on the world... apart from the fact it seems the Haruchai are already serving Foul unknowingly, imagine what would happen if the Voice of the Masters were possessed by a Raver and slowly corrupted the Haruchai like the long line of Raver-possessed na-Mhorams did to the Clave between the First and Second Chronicles...

if that is the case, then anything or anyone that could fight despite, could also be turned to fight for despite, then with the Haruchai's ideals everyone and everything should be stopped or killed.
nice point again xar

The Haruicai give me the shits. The Ramen do sssso as well.

Both Haruchai and Ramen are acting as their nature compels them to act.

I know that... but is there really any need for the arguing?

Think about the reasons. The Ramen hate the Haruchai because they rode the Ranyhyn to their deaths. Not just the fact that they rode them, but that when they did so, many of the mighty horses were slain. The Ramen serve the horses and almost worship them as if they were minor deities. They are, like others of the Land's more mysterious races, creatures of Earthpower incarnate. For them to be slain in battle because of the Bloodguard must have been terrible to the Ramen, worse than watching their own children slain.

As for the Haruchai, I'm not entirely clear as to what their beef is with the Ramen, perhaps only that they caused the Ranyhyn to depart the Land for so long? Even so I think that the Ramen have just cause to dislike and distrust the Haruchai, even if that cause is seven millennia old.

First Mark Tuvor wrote:I know that... but is there really any need for the arguing?

Well, you did bring it up.