Kevin's Watch

During Linden's translation, she is seeing and hearing things through Joan, hence the pain to her right temple. Is it possible that Jeremiah never went since the statement of "tell her I have her son" could also apply to Joan?

About Jeremiah in the Land, it's made clearer as the book goes on.
But in response to your question, it is assumed that Foul is allowing Linden to have these visions on purpose, which is why we hear him saying what he does at the end (I think there's something like 'that's enough - she will serve my purposes') - which would suggest quite strongly that it is to Linden's son he refers.

Foul says 'It is enough. I am content. She will work my will, and i will be freed at last'
He may have been speaking to Joan. Or to turiya Herem.
Then he said "tell her I have her son"

Now if Foul was speaking to Herem about Joan (which I think he was), then he meant Roger not Jerimiah. As in Tell Joan that I have her son Roger.
Foul will corrupt time with the Ceasures, but it will take a long time. I think the book says hundreds of years.

But if Foul is speaking to Herem about Linden then it could mean, 'I am content' as in Linden has seen enough and she will work my will for me.

Myself I think Foul was speaking to Herem about Joan. He may not even be aware that Linden could hear him speak.
Later in the book when Foul first speaks to Linden it is after Linden tells Anele that Foul has her son. And since Foul couldn't pass up the chance to torment Linden with it he did.

If so, why did the Ranyhyn show Linden what they did? If Jeremiah was not truly in Foul's hands, what could be gained by showing Linden the experience Jeremiah would be having if he were in Foul's control?

Not sure about that. I think that the Ranyhyn took the thoughts from Lindens mind.
page 345 bottom 'Instead they found within her a still graver hurt'

I take that to mean that the Ranyhyn don't 'know' they just go with what Linden believes is the truth of the situation. Which is all that matters to Linden also.

If Elena had the same thought of bringing back Devin at that early age they might have done the same with her?

Ah - Good one. Perhaps, then, the belief she already had about her son suited their purposes - it did, after all, give her the determination required to brave the caesure.

My personal belief is that Jeremiah has been in the Land since the first time Linden went. It is obvious he was no longer here on earth in mind, so it seems to stand that he was there instead.

dANdeLION wrote:My personal belief is that Jeremiah has been in the Land since the first time Linden went. It is obvious he was no longer here on earth in mind, so it seems to stand that he was there instead.

Good theory... which is supported by the whole 'structures in his room' thing.

Jeremiah should have been TC & Lindens child.

Except that it would completely destroy the ambiguity of the nature of the Land's reality.
Plus, you leave the Land in the same state as you enter - Linden wasn't pregnant in the real world, so wouldn't become pregnant in the Land.
Anyway, SRD needed Jeremiah to be one of the children that burned themselves.

jeremiah isn't linden's son (biologically). do you think this is significant? could this be something Foul doesn't know?

Jeramiah is deffinatly in the Land. Many people already think he's been in the Land Or somewhere on the earth since the 2nd Chrons.
But...he should be in the Land with Roger. Roger was holding onto Jeramiah the whole time, it must have been for a reason.
How did he get away?
Did TC do it?
Just how little should we trust TC right now?
......When the hell will Fatal Reveanment be out !?!?!?!?!?!?!?

I've given some thought to Jeremiah. It seems he was in the Land during and since the second chronicles but yet he remained conscious in the real world as well, at least in a vague sense. It seem to me that this would probably affect how he was embodied in the Land up till now, trapped in between worlds as he might have been for thousands of years. Everyone else transported to the Land has been unconscious or dead.

I think he might be

Spoiler

the croyel. An infant immortal creature in search of a body. And we know from the Elohim that the croyel are likely to feature in this story. Maybe, like the croyel, he therefore has some kind of power to bring unity and order to chaos.

Supposition built on guess, I agree, but it feels right.

Except that it would completely destroy the ambiguity of the nature of the Land's reality.

Which was pretty well shot down anyway when Linden ended up with the Ring in her hands when she awoke at the end of the 2nd Chronicles.