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Kevin's Dirt - or Foul's Breath?? (possible causes+++)

Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2004 10:04 pm
by Insanity Falls
If Kevin's Dirt was caused by Foul, wouldn't it be named after him?
And he is so pleased thing are going awry, and not by his hand!

Then is Thomas Covenant the source of Kevin's Dirt?
In the Second Chronicles, Covenenant had no healthsense, coz of having leprosy for over a decade, and the inability, then, of the Land to heal him.
I was wondering, now he's gone all Wild Magic, 'n' all, whether this "blindness" hasn't now magically imposed itself on the Land, so that (nearly) everyone is blinded.
I'd kind of like it to be Thomas Covenant's fault!!

However that doesn't really tie in with a smog covering just the Land.
Given that it does just cover the Land, it makes me thing that either it is

a) an emission of Mount Thunder, with it's banes 'n' all, as has been suggested.

or

b) a relapse/re-assertion of the corruption of the Earthpower that caused the Sunbane, made possible because of the loss of the staff. It does kind of makes sense that the Sunbane would have begun by blinding the people first to what was happening. Then again, why hasn't it progressed? Because Foul's not pushing for it?

Or perhaps it is the ghost of the Sunbane :twisted: , thanks to the Laws of Life and Death being broken :!:


My bet now is on (a) Mount Thunder. Simplest is probably best! As someone suggested, Mount Thunder is probable disturbed by earth-shaking events in the north.

HOWEVER, this thing surely would have to have crept up on people, else they'd said "Hey! What's going on?". And volcanic activity tends to be rather sudden!
Didn't Linden's Healing enable people to recover their healthsense?
Did the Haruchai had gone all totalitarian before this thing started. But why would they do that anyway?

What the hell is up with the Haruchai anyways? That's the big mystery I think! Bet TC will have something to say about that! The Harachai plumetted in my estimation when they abandoned the Lords in a time of war. What was that about?
Have the Haruchai been corrupted via their mental link?

I bet Sunder and Hollian's ghosts are feeling pretty stupid now for not working to establish new Lords with new Lords's staffs (made from Gildens growing in Andelain?). Why wouldn't the Dead guide them to do that?

I am tickled by all this mystery that SRD has created!

What's it all about?! ( I do hope it all adds up! )

Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2004 10:34 pm
by Insanity Falls
It doesn't add up yet, so I guess it's really all down to the new players...

Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2004 11:33 pm
by Creator
If the Haruchai's passion can lead to the Bloodguard oath - why couldn't their current passion to "block" the use of Earthpower lead to the "dirt" which "blocks" health sense? [Health sense would be an important aspect of how the folk of the Land could "tune in" to Earthpower.]

Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 12:09 am
by esmerlover
I think the name of the affliction itself holds the answer. Kevin's Dirt.

What did Kevin do? Ritual of Desecration.
When did the Demondim vanish? Ritual of Desecration.
Why'd they vanish? Esmer took them.
Who brought the Demondim to Linden after she reclaimed the staff of law? Esmer.
When did Kevin's Dirt start? When Linden took the staff from the past to the present.

So, here's what I'm thinking. What if the Ritual of Desecration caused Kevin's Dirt? Then when Esmer brought the Demondim from that time to assail Linden, he also brought along part or all of the Dirt. The Dirt was then able to sustain itself and spread because Linden took the staff to the present and the staff was not there to withstand it.

It fits, no?

Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 12:40 am
by High Lord Tolkien
esmerlover wrote:I think the name of the affliction itself holds the answer. Kevin's Dirt.

What did Kevin do? Ritual of Desecration.
When did the Demondim vanish? Ritual of Desecration.
Why'd they vanish? Esmer took them.
Who brought the Demondim to Linden after she reclaimed the staff of law? Esmer.
When did Kevin's Dirt start? When Linden took the staff from the past to the present.

So, here's what I'm thinking. What if the Ritual of Desecration caused Kevin's Dirt? Then when Esmer brought the Demondim from that time to assail Linden, he also brought along part or all of the Dirt. The Dirt was then able to sustain itself and spread because Linden took the staff to the present and the staff was not there to withstand it.

It fits, no?
NICE!
:D
I love it.

Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 7:14 am
by Insanity Falls
Me too! :Hail:

Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 5:27 pm
by Wormwood
Nice theory. Only one thing doesn't fit for me. The loss of healthsense benefits the Haruchai's drive to eradicate access to earthpower too much to be a coincidence. I think that somehow the Haruchai are responsible for Kevin's Dirt. It's utility to the flat faced little NAZI's is just to fortuitous to be coincidence.

Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 6:55 pm
by esmerlover
Good point, Wormwood. However, from my interpretation, I'd take the Master's desire to stop the use of earthpower as misguided and influenced by Foul himself "I have only whispered a few words of council here and there and awaited for events to unfold to my will".

If Foul didn't cause Kevin's Dirt to come about himself, he probably recognized its presence before anyone else and derived his plan from its existance and provided false council to the Haruchai from there.

"They serve me, albeit unwittingly"

Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 7:03 pm
by Wormwood
I think Foul whispered the words, and somehow the Haruchai managed to make it (the Dirt) happen. They are, in their own way, earthpowerful as well. Didn't the 2nd Chronicles describe their blood as somehow more concentrated in earthpower than normal blood when feeding the banefire? They may profess to wish to limit access to earthpower, but in the past they have exercised tremendous feats using earthpower (the Vow, which is as powerfull than death).

I'd say that Foul put the idea that earthpower is bad in their heads, and then they went from there. Based on their nature and past, I don't doubt that they could have found a way to implement Kevin's Dirt.

Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 7:41 pm
by esmerlover
There are no previous instances where the Haruchai have used any lore or Earthpower to affect anything in non-physical means.

Even the Vow was just an amplification of their own inherit strength and puissance.

No. The Haruchai have always relied on their personal skill and strength in combat to achieve their ends. If they affected the Land in some other way it would betray their honor.

If they themselves had used their Earthpower to create the Dirt it would contradict their own believe that any exhertion of Earthpower inevitibly leads to evil and loss.

Why would they then create the Dirt to prevent the use of Earthpower (which leads to evil) if the creation of the Dirt itself would lead to evil?

Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 8:20 pm
by tallan
Erh. I've always interpreted it as they didn't do it knowingly... It just sorta happened, as the Land's reaction to the loss of knowledge of Earthpower and such... mighty things. :shifty:

Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 8:28 pm
by I'm Murrin
A manifestation of the Land's ignorance, eh?
An expression of earthpower caused by there being no more expressions of earthpower, which makes further expressions of earthpower even less likely to occur.

Hmm.

I like it! :D

Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 11:45 pm
by esmerlover
Right.

But why is it named Kevin's Dirt? Surely Kevin had something to do with it. I doubt SrD would just randomly pick a name and attach it if the name didn't hold any siginficance.

Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 11:51 pm
by drew
The haruchai named it, because it reminded them of the ROD.

Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 12:57 pm
by dANdeLION
Kevin's Dirt...I think the Elohim put it there, and I think it's called Kevin's Dirt because you could see it clearly from Kevin's Watch, or because it blinds people to the truth of things like Kevin was blinded to the truth about Foul.

Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 1:43 pm
by Wormwood
The Haruchai may not know they put it there at all. Perhaps they invoked it much as they did the Vow, simply through the force of making a promise to stop the use of earthpower was enough to make Kevin's Dirt occur. The Vow happened pretty much the same way.

It's not like SRD doesn't try to teach his characters about the law of unintended consequences (The Ranyhyn promise, The Oath of Peace, etc...)

Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 10:05 pm
by Findail The Appointed
When did Kevin's Dirt start? When Linden took the staff from the past to the present.
Actually it was generations before that if I'm not mistaken. Linden observed from atop Kevin's Watch when she first re-entered the land.

But why is it named Kevin's Dirt? Surely Kevin had something to do with it.
Well, there ware the Clave's titles of Na-Mhoram which didn't actually have much to do with the original Mhoram. If anything, I think I'd go with the theory of it being visible only from KW...


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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 11:05 pm
by esmerlover
Sorry if I didn't make it clear enough.

Kevin's dirt started when Linden removed the staff from the past. Not when she arrived back in the present.

Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 2:18 am
by Adept Havelock
If I'm not mistaken, there is a reference in Runes that states the Haruchai named it Kevin's Dirt, as it seemed like a "foretaste of desecration".

I'm just starting my reread of Runes (having finished 2nd chronicles last night) and will post the complete quote once I reach that point in the story.

On a side note, for an interesting experiece I recommend reading One Tree and White Gold Wielder when you are quite ill, as I've spent the last few days. It had an interesting effect on my perception of the story, and the emotions generated by it.

Kevin's Dirt:

Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 5:09 pm
by Adept Havelock
It's on page 135 of Runes of the Earth, while Linden is receiving Stave's "Earthpower" lecture.

His answer had the finality of a knell. "We name it so because we deem it to be a foretaste of desecration. It's pall covers the Land in preperation".