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How do you pronounce "caesure" ?
Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 9:41 pm
by wayfriend
There's no wrong answer.
Personally, I favor a pronounciation that sounds like SI-sher, as if it was spelled "sisher", since this follows from the pronounciation of caesura, a real word.
Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 9:54 pm
by Condign
There are quite a few references - if I recall correctly - that mention its similarity to a migraine which could be loosley interpreted as a 'seizure'. Also it 'seizes' people in time... I could go on.
Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 10:08 pm
by I'm Murrin
Seizure. Though I don't actually pronounce the word 'seizure' with a 'z'.
From the spelling, this pronunciation just seemed logical.
Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 10:12 pm
by Gart
Seizure. That's how I read it...and that's how SRD pronounced it in the Q&A session

Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 10:52 pm
by saera
I'm picking the first alternative, although I pronounce it "KAYshur", not sher.

Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 11:15 pm
by wayfriend
Condign wrote:There are quite a few references - if I recall correctly - that mention its similarity to a migraine which could be loosley interpreted as a 'seizure'. Also it 'seizes' people in time... I could go on.
Isn't it much more likely that it is related to "caesura", meaning break or interruption? Which is pronounced si-zyur-a or si-zhur-a.
Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 12:00 am
by Condign
Quite possibly, and even more possible is that it was probably derived from both. I am almost certain that the root latin word is the same anyway... I should look it up.
Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 4:44 am
by burgs
I think Donaldson's pronunciation should suffice.
Seizure.
Besides, when you think of how they were created, it's a perfect fit. I never thought of pronouncing it any other way.
Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 4:56 am
by Worm of Despite
I usually pronounce it say-sher. If there's a correct pronunciation (or a Donaldson-sanctioned one), I didn't know about it, and it's too late to care anyway, since I'm so used to pronouncing it my way.
Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 6:52 am
by finn
I guess if SRD pronounces it a particular way that is the way it should be interpreted, has that way been heard from SRD, Burg66?
As for myself I read it a Kayzure which I'd be inclined is think is phonentically correct. Siezure would come from Cea... Kaysure from Cae..
The word Ceasar is 'see zar' the German Kaiser is 'ki zar', both are derivatives of each other (as of course is Tsar 'zar' from Russia).
Having said that you yanks do have a knack for changing the spelling and pronounciation of the "English" language!

Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 8:57 am
by Loredoctor
I pronounce it 'seizure' as it makes sense as to the nature of the Caesure.
Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 12:07 pm
by aTOMiC
From the first moment I read that word my mind instantly pronounced it SAY-SURE. Right or wrong thats what I'm stuck with.

Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 1:59 pm
by I'm Murrin
finn wrote:Siezure would come from Cea... Kaysure from Cae..
The word Ceasar is 'see zar' the German Kaiser is 'ki zar', both are derivatives of each other (as of course is Tsar 'zar' from Russia).
The word is actually spelt caesar, not ceasar.
Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 2:11 pm
by Nav
Unless it's on a can of dog food for small, yappy-type dogs, then it's spelt Cesar.
Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 4:17 pm
by Thaale
Because it was italicized, I though of it in Latin fashion as KI-shur-a or ki-SHUR-a, with a long I.
If SRD says it's seizure, I'll make the mental switch. He could have prevented all the confusion by spelling it seizure, but whatever.
Why does Stave butt into Linden's account of the caesure to announce that, "We name them Falls"? Not really the point, is it, Stave? But I assume that had some significance to something.
And why are they called Falls? Because you feel like you're falling if one hits you? But it's not like there are a lot of Falls survivors around, other than Anele (and he calls them caesures).
Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 5:26 pm
by Aleksandr
And why are they called Falls?
Caesure is probably derived (like caesura) from Latin cadere, "to fall", via its participle, caesus.
Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 5:51 pm
by CovenantJr
finn wrote:I guess if SRD pronounces it a particular way that is the way it should be interpreted, has that way been heard from SRD, Burg66?
It has, at the Q&A session in Manchester. A few weeks back. Nav, Gart and I can vouch for that.
I voted for the way I pronounced it before I heard SRD say it: Sysher
Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 6:55 pm
by Worm of Despite
aTOMiC wrote:From the first moment I read that word my mind instantly pronounced it SAY-SURE. Right or wrong thats what I'm stuck with.

Oh yeah, another supporter of "say-sure!"

Of course, we're both rocking musicians, as well, so it only makes sense!

Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 9:59 pm
by AMOK
The guy on the "Book on CD" pronounces it: se-ZHUR. Kinda French-like.
Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 5:34 am
by fightingmyinstincts
I see the "ae" dipthong and give it the latin pronunciation...without even thinking...ah, the joy of being well trained...