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Hermann Hesse

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Let's see if more Watchers like Hesse than Pilots. :) I absolutely love Hesse!! Here's how I started the Hangar's Hesse thread-

Among my very favorite authors. Hesse (1877-1962) wrote fiction that is strongly philosophical/religious. Here's some quotes from a few of his books. I hope they speak to any of you. Maybe they'll make you think in directions you haven't before. Or if they aren't new concepts to you, maybe they're just another beautiful way of expressing the thought.

These two are from his masterpiece, The Glass Bead Game. It's the book that won him the Nobel Prize for Literature. It's the biggest and most intricate of his books, and these two tiny quotes don't begin to give you the slightest idea of anything that happens, or what the Glass Bead Game is. But here goes. :)
I suddenly realized that in the language, or at any rate in the spirit of the Glass Bead Game, everything actually was all-meaningful, that every symbol and combination of symbols led not hither and yon, not to single examples, experiments, and proofs, but into the center, the mystery and innermost heart of the world, into primal knowledge. Every transition from major to minor in a sonata, every transformation of a myth or a religious cult, every classical or artistic formulation was, I realized in that flashing moment, if seen with a truly meditative mind, nothing but a direct route into the interior of the cosmic mystery, where in the alternation between inhaling and exhaling, between heaven and earth, between Yin and Yang, holiness is forever being created.
To be candid, I myself, for example, have never in my life said a word to my pupils about the "meaning" of music; if there is one, it does not need my explanations. On the other I have always made a great point of having my pupils count their eighths and sixteenths nicely. Whatever you become, teacher, scholar, or musician, have respect for the "meaning," but do not imagine that it can be taught.
These two are from Narcissus and Goldmund.
"I believe that the petal of a flower or a tiny worm on the path says far more, contains far more than all the books in the library. One cannot say very much with mere letters and words. Sometimes I'll be writing a Greek letter, a theta or an omega, and tilt my pen just the slightest bit; suddenly the letter has a tail and becomes a fish; in a second it evokes all the streams and rivers of the world, all that is cool and humid, Homer's sea and the waters on which Saint Peter wandered; or it becomes a bird, flaps its tail, shakes out its feathers, puffs itself up, laughs, flies away. You probably don't appreciate letters like that very much, do you, Narcissus? But I say: with them God wrote the world."
"It has struck me how a certain shape, a certain line recurs in a person's structure, how a forehead corresponds to the knee, a shoulder to the hip, and how, deep down, it corresponds to the nature and temperment of the person who possesses that knee, that shoulder, that forehead, and fuses with it. And another thing has struck me: one night, as I had to hold a light for a woman who was giving birth, I saw that the greatest pain and the most intense ecstasy have almost the same expression."
And these two are from Siddhartha. These quotes are a little longer than the others, but I figure if you've enjoyed it so far.... :D
He learned more from the river than Vasudeva could teach him. He learned from it continually. Above all, he learned from it how to listen, to listen with a still heart, with a waiting, open soul, without passion, without desire, without judgment, without opinions.

He lived happily with Vasudeva and occasionally they exchanged words, few and long-considered words. Vasudeva was no friend of words. Siddhartha was rarely successful in moving him to speak.

He once asked him, "Have you also learned that secret from the river; that there is no such thing as time?"

A bright smile spread over Vasudeva's face.

"Yes, Siddhartha," he said. "Is this what you mean? That the river is everywhere at the same time, at the source and at the mouth, at the waterfall, at the ferry, at the current, in the ocean and in the mountains, everywhere, and that the present only exists for it, not the shadow of the past, nor the shadow of the future?"

"That is it," said Siddhartha, "and when I learned that, I reviewed my life and it was also a river, and Siddhartha the boy, Siddhartha the mature man, and Siddhartha the old man, were only separated by shadows, not through reality. Siddhartha's previous lives were also not in the past, and his death and his return to Brahma are not in the future. Nothing was, nothing will be, everything has reality and presence."
"Listen, my friend! I am a sinner and you are a sinner, but someday the sinner will be Brahma again, will someday attain Nirvana, will someday become a Buddha. Now this 'someday' is illusion; it is only a comparison. The sinner is not on the way to a Buddha-like state; he is not evolving, although our thinking cannot conceive things otherwise. No, the potential Buddha already exists in the sinner; his future is already there. The potential hidden Buddha must be recognized in him, in you, in everybody. The world is not imperfect or slowly evolving along a long path to perfection. No, it is perfect at every moment; every sin already carries grace within it, all small children are potential old men, all sucklings have death within them, all dying people - eternal life. It is not possible for one person to see how far another is on the way; the Buddha exists in the robber and dice player; the robber exists in the Brahmin. During deep meditation it is possible to dispel time, to see simultaneously all the past, present, and future, and then everything is good, everything is perfect, everything is Brahman. Therefore, it seems to me that everything that exists is good - death as well as life, sin as well as holiness, wisdom as well as folly. Everything is necessary, everything needs only my agreement, my assent, my loving understanding; then all is well with me and nothing can harm me. I learned through my body and soul that it was necessary for me to sin, that I needed lust, that I had to strive for property and experience nausea and the depths of despair in order to learn not to resist them, in order to learn to love the world, and no longer compare it with some kind of desired imaginary world, some imaginary vision of perfection, but to leave it as it is, to love it and be glad to belong to it. There are some of the thoughts that are in my mind."

Siddhartha bent down, lifted a stone from the ground and held it in his hand.

"This," he said, handling it, "is a stone, and within a certain length of time it will perhaps be soil and from the soil it will become plant, animal, or man. Previously I should have said: This stone is just a stone; it has no value, it belongs to the world of Maya, but perhaps because within the cycle of change it can also become man and spirit, it is also of importance. That is what I should have thought. But now I think: This stone is stone; it is also animal, God, and Buddha. I do not respect and love it because it was one thing and will become something else, but because it has already long been everything and always is everything. I love it just because it is a stone, because today and now it appears to me a stone. I see value and meaning in each one of its fine markings and cavities, in the yellow, in the gray, in the hardness and the sound of it when I knock it, in the dryness or dampness of its surface. There are stones that feel like oil or soap, that look like leaves or sand, and each one is different and worships Om in its own way; each one is Brahman. At the same time it is very much stone, oily, or soapy, and that is just what pleases me and seems wonderful and worthy of worship. But I will say no more about it. Words do not express thoughts very well. They always become a little different immediately they are expressed, a little distorted, a little foolish. And yet it also pleases me and seems right that what is of value and wisdom to one man seems nonsense to another."
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It's late here, hence no cohesive post, which will hopefully come tomorrow, but I must post here now. Just to say I loved the Glass Bead Game so very much and I am really glad that Fist has started this thread.
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All right Emma!!! :D :D :D
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:) I too loved especially The Glass Bead Game and Siddhartha, as well as SteppenWolf.

In fact, seeing as we're quoting, here is perhaps my favourite from SteppenWolf.
You prefer comfort to pleasure,
convenience to freedom
and have subsituted majority for power,
law for force, and the polling booth, for responsibility.
In some senses I agree wholeheartedly, in others, I feel that perhaps it is better for humanity as a whole that we have at least substituted law for force, and majority for power. Not that the way we do it now is necessarily better, but it may be safer. For now at least.

It's not an easy question to consider, and so much depends on both our perception, and the actions based thereon.

Still, excellent idea for a thread, Fist. Or should that be Magister? ;)

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Avatar wrote:Still, excellent idea for a thread, Fist. Or should that be Magister? ;)
You talked me into it! :mrgreen:
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Took me a second to notice your new title. :)

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...I cried when narcissus died. So much more died when he did. Hesse did a fantastic job there in prompting the reader to experience what he was writing about...I'm not sure I got all of magister Ludi..but it was a great read anyway..it was so long ago read,,alls I remember is that it was great read..couldn't help but emphathize(spl) with Ludi....MEL
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Yeah, it's been many years since I read Ludi. I remember some parts, and the overall impression, but it would be wonderful to read it again. It was one of the choices I suggested for a Dissection, but we're doing Dune. But if anybody's ever interested, I'm up for it! It sure covers a lot of ground, doesn't it?
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