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The White Gold Wielder.....
Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2003 2:54 am
by Serpreme
*Possible Spoilers*
Ok now that TC is the arch of time ,pure White Gold etc...( haha Pure white gold...anyways). Can the Arch of time be shattered now? If LF couldn't shatter it with his power combined with White Gold, Is it possible for someone new to come into the land wielding White Gold and defeat Lord Foul? Now that as i assume no power can destroy the arch of time?
I remember somewhere that SRD was going to end the chronicles with the series with the Earth(or was it The Land?) being destroyed? It that even possible now?
Remember the Worm..
Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2003 4:47 am
by [Syl]
i think TC told Linden at the end that Foul could've destroyed the Arch of Time with the ring if he hadn't tried to destroy Covenant first (like trying to break a hammer with its own head... or trying to lift yourself up. this act basically worked against him.
"And Foul didn't understand. Maybe be was too far gone.
Or maybe he just refused to believe it. But he tried to ignore
the paradox. The paradox of white gold. And the paradox of
himself. He wanted the white gold—the ring. But I'm the
white gold too. He couldn't change that by killing me. When
he hit me with my own fire, he did me one thing I couldn't
do for myself. He burned the venom away. After that, I was
free."
He paused for a moment, turned inward, "I didn't know
what was going to happen, I was Just terrified that he would
let me live until after he attacked the Arch." Dimly, she re-
membered the way Covenant had jibed at Lord Foul as if
he were asking for death.
Yes and no....
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2003 2:28 am
by Serpreme
Well Lord Foul has one chance. It wasnt really if he would attack TC first...it was if LF would have bannished TC so he wasnt there to abosrb the blasts. But he was to caught up in TC to think.
When he killed TC,thats when the arch of time became TC and he was able to not fight back.
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2003 3:21 am
by vt53
When he killed TC,thats when the arch of time became TC and he was able to not fight back.
I did not feel TC became the arch of time, He protected it from Lord Fouls attempt to break it by absorbing the white gold blasts with in it's paradox.
My question would be how would SRD bring White gold back into the land to defend the arch of time again?
TC was the white gold and he is dead in his world.
Foul now has a better understanding of the paradox and should be able to battle it more effectivly.
Linden now possesses the ring, but she is not the white gold as TC was.
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2003 3:36 am
by KaosArcana
Linden now possesses the ring, but she is not the white gold as TC was.
You know, I must be interpreting that a lot different than you do. I
keep flashing back to that discussion that Pitchwife had with Linden
Avery when he said that the power comes from within and that the
wild magic is just how Covenant expressed it.
See, to me, I think that means that the form the wild magic
takes is dependant on the person who wields it. Covenant's
fear of power made wild magic an uncontrollable force that
burnt and destroyed all that it touched. Linden's physician
training made it a tool of healing.
So I think that whoever owns the ring IS the white gold. Its power
is defined by its wielder.
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2003 3:39 am
by [Syl]
interesting thought. i'd propose that through her history and what she learned in the land (from TC in no small part) forged her spirit into "white gold" like Covenant.
also, ...
"Farewell, beloved."
His response came softly, receding along the wind. "There's
no need for that I'm part of you now. You'll always re-
member."
if TC himself isn't corporeal, perhaps she can wield the white gold through him?
Just thought you...
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2003 4:25 am
by Hearthcoal
...might like to see more thoughts related to this topic at:
"You Are The White Gold" and
Wild Magic among others.
- Hearthcoal
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2003 9:28 am
by psytech
Remember that not only did TC need to die before Foul attempted the Arch, but the Law of Life needed to be broken in order for TC to act without the constraint of being called back with only the Law of Death broken. Without the Law of Life broken, he was Foul's to control when called back. I could be wrong, but the attack on the Arch with the White Gold called TC back from the dead (implictly), where he would have no freedom had the Law of Life not been broken previously. Since it had, he was free, preventing Foul from mastering the White Gold, since he is the White Gold.
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2003 1:11 pm
by KaosArcana
Remember that not only did TC need to die before Foul attempted the Arch, but the Law of Life needed to be broken in order for TC to act without the constraint of being called back with only the Law of Death broken. Without the Law of Life broken, he was Foul's to control when called back. I could be wrong, but the attack on the Arch with the White Gold called TC back from the dead (implictly), where he would have no freedom had the Law of Life not been broken previously. Since it had, he was free, preventing Foul from mastering the White Gold, since he is the White Gold.
The way I remember it, all Foul had to do was banish Covenant like
Findail did and he could have gone on to smash the Arch of Time.
It was Foul's own insistence on trying to hurt Covenant that cost him
his victory.
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2003 12:04 am
by Serpreme
White gold isnt gone. If it was gone,so would the crux of the arch of time...thus it would collasp =)
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2003 3:02 am
by KaosArcana
Supreme:
White gold isnt gone. If it was gone,so would the crux of the arch of time...thus it would collasp =)
You know, here's a question. People keep saying that Covenant is
"the white gold" ... but the Arch of time existed before Covenant
ever got his ring. So who was the white gold before Covenant?

Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2003 12:36 pm
by Guest
Serpreme here
TC is simple the avater of White Gold.
The Creator chooses each person to reprosent the white gold each 1000 years or so.
The process is very similair to wheel of fortune =)
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2003 1:27 pm
by Fist and Faith
KaosArcana wrote:So I think that whoever owns the ring IS the white gold. Its power is defined by its wielder.
I never thought of it that way. But yeah, it could be. Mhoram didn't say, "You, <I>and only you</I>, are the white gold." Maybe it is as you say; maybe he meant, "Since you are the one who owns the while gold, you <I>are</I> the white gold."
KaosArcana wrote:You know, here's a question. People keep saying that Covenant is "the white gold" ... but the Arch of time existed before Covenant ever got his ring. So who was the white gold before Covenant?

I look at things this way:
-White Gold is not wild magic. It is a tool, possibly the only tool, that allows the wielder to access the wild magic that is "graven in every rock." (And - to make random, useless speculation - maybe white gold is the best tool because only <I>it</I> lets you use the wild magic in any way imaginable. But maybe you can use the wild magic in any way imaginable no matter <I>how</I> you gain access to it.)
-Wild magic is not the Arch of Time, though it is the "keystone" of the Arch. To compare, we can build an arch out of stone, but that doesn't mean stone=arch. But I get the impression that wild magic could destroy the Arch even if it wasn't the keystone. It doesn't seem to have any limits.
Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2003 11:26 am
by Ryzel
Fist and Faith wrote:
-White Gold is not wild magic. It is a tool, possibly the only tool, that allows the wielder to access the wild magic that is "graven in every rock." (And - to make random, useless speculation - maybe white gold is the best tool because only <I>it</I> lets you use the wild magic in any way imaginable. But maybe you can use the wild magic in any way imaginable no matter <I>how</I> you gain access to it.).
What if Wild Magic is not very useful at all? Earthpower is useful, but Wild Magic does not seem to be capable of a whole lot of things <b>except</b> destroying the arch of time and maybe a few other things. In any case I think that the white gold itself is unimportant. It is the white gold wielder himself that is the tool to use wild magic.
Fist and Faith wrote:
-Wild magic is not the Arch of Time, though it is the "keystone" of the Arch. To compare, we can build an arch out of stone, but that doesn't mean stone=arch. But I get the impression that wild magic could destroy the Arch even if it wasn't the keystone. It doesn't seem to have any limits.
I both agree and disagree. Wild magic does not seem to have any limits imposed on it, and this is probably because of its nature as a keystone for the arch of time. Wild magic must be the highest order of power available in the world of the Land, and thus not subject to any limitations that the arch of time imposes, <b>but</b> that does not necessarily mean that it is a very useful power to have. It is clearly a great tool for destruction, but can it do anything else at all? (examples are welcome)

But if the wild magic was not the keystone of the arch of time it would not be capable of destroying it, because it would then exist within the arch itself and be bound by it.
Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2003 4:53 pm
by [Syl]
But she held wild magic clenched like bright passion in her
right fist; and her left hand gripped the living Staff. Both were
hers to wield. Guided by her health-sense—by the same vul-
nerability which let the Sunbane run through her like a riptide,
desecrating every thew of her body, every ligament of her will
—she stood within her mind on the high slopes of Mount
Thunder and set herself to do battle with perversion.
It was a strange battle, weird and terrible. She had no op-
ponent. Her foe was the rot Lord Foul had afflicted upon the
Earthpower; and without him the Sunbane had neither mind
nor purpose. It was simply a hunger which fed on every form
of nature and health and life. She could have fired her huge
forces blast after blast and struck nothing except the ravaged
ground, done no hurt to anything not already lost. Only scant
moments after dawn, green sprouts of vegetation stretched
like screams from the soil.
And beyond this fertility lyrked rain and pestilence and
desert in erratic sequence, waiting to repeat themselves over
and over again, always harder and faster, until the founda-
tions of the Land crumbled. Then the Sunbane would be free
to spread.
Out to the rest of the Earth.
But she had learned from Covenant—and from the Raver's
possession. She did not attempt to attack the Sunbane. In-
stead, she called it to herself, accepted it into her personal
flesh.
With white fire she absorbed the Land's corruption.
At first, the sheer pain and horror of it excruciated her
hideously. One shrill cry as hoarse as terror ripped her throat,
rang like Kevin's despair over the wide landscape below her,
echoed and echoed in Kiril Threndor until the Giants were
frantic, unable to help her. But then her own need drove her
to more power.
The Staff named so intensely that her body should have
been burned away. Yet she was not hurt. Rather, the pain she
had taken upon herself was swept from her—cured and
cleansed, and sent spilling outward as pure Earthpower. With
Law she healed herself.
She hardly understood what she was doing: it was an
act of exaltation, chosen by intuition rather than conscious
thought. But she saw her way now with the reasonless clarity
of Joy. It could be done: the Land could be redeemed. With
all the passion of her thwarted heart, all the love she had
learned and been given, she plunged into her chosen work.
She was a storm upon the mountain, a barrage of determi-
nation and fire which no eyes but hers could have witnessed.
From every league and hill and gully and plain of the Land,
every slope of Andelain and cliff of the peaks, every southern
escarpment and northern rise, she drew ruin into herself and
restored it to wholeness, then sent it back like silent rain,
anaiystic and invisible.
i think the only limiting factor of white gold, constructive or deconstructive use, is the wielder.[/quote]