Kevin's Watch

Hello to everyone at Kevin's Watch. I am new to this site, though certainly not new to SRD. I grew up reading the Chronicles, and I am very excited at the prospect of interacting with others who share this interest.
I have a question for you all out there. (Bear in mind that I have not yet read Runes.) I was wanting to know if in the new book, or if in any of the gradual interviews, did the issue of the names, and origins, of the Ravers come up. I am not referring to the Hebrew names, (i.e. Sheol, etc.) but moksha, turiya, and samadhi. For the record these are all sanskrit words that describe enlightened states of being. I always wondered why SRD chose these names for the Ravers. Also, I seem to remember something in The One Tree when Linden and Covenant were with the Elohim...There was a tale, I believe about a mortal woman who fell in love with one of the Elohim, and was ruined by it. I thought that there was some mention of her becoming impregnated by the Elohim, and wondered if maybe the three Ravers were created there. It might explain their madness and intense hatred for all thing of the Earth. If anyone has any input on this, let me know.

The merewives were the children of a mortal woman and Appointed Kastenessen.
There's a story in Runes that suggests the Lurker played a part in the creation of the Ravers, but it's fairly vague.

I don't know about the names, sorry.

..Suggest a search of SRD's Gradual InTerview..search Ravers..just about anything else said mite spoil Runes for you..Steve does answer your inquire directly...MEL

Welcome, rukh!

There's a story in Runes that suggests the Lurker played a part in the creation of the Ravers, but it's fairly vague.

I don't remember that, where was it?

In the story of the One Forest, the Lurker and the Ravers are mentioned quite closely together.
It's a very loose connection, actually:

Yet men and women had no ears to hear such woe. And even if they had heard it, their single minds, enclosed and alone, could not have encompassed the Forest's betrayal, the wood's lamentation. Only the malice within Lifeswallower heeded it - and gave answer.
...after those generations, mankind discovered malevolence, or was discovered by it. Then the murder of the trees was transformed from disregard into savagery.
Hence came the Ravers into the Land....

I'm probably completely wrong, but it seems odd for Anele to refer to the Lurker 'giving answer' to the trees' destruction, then not say how it did give answer; to change to the subject of Ravers instead.

Stephen Donaldson has said that moksha, turiya, and samadhi (sanskrit words that describe enlightened states of being) are HOW THE RAVERS THINK OF THEMSELVES.

To find the actual quote, go to the Gradual Interview, and enter names ravers into the Contains ALL these words search box, and hit submit.

The answer is the April 2004 entry.

I still maintian that there is some direct connection between the Sarangrave and the Ravers--think about it...

Sarangrave?

Do you RAVE? No it's much deeper than that --the "grave" is where the One Forest originally begins to disappear. hmmmm...

Yeah, yeah - whatever you say...

Sara's Grave?
I didn't even know she was dead!

I always thoght that the word "raver" went hand-in-glove with the word "despiser". The Despiser hates, but keeps to himself; the Ravers are sent out to do his work. In a sense, they show the hate, they express the hate; hence, they 'rave'. See my highlight below:

Main Entry: ¹rave
Pronunciation: 'rAv
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): raved; rav·ing
Etymology: Middle English
intransitive senses
1 a : to talk irrationally in or as if in delirium b : to speak out wildly c : to talk with extreme enthusiasm <raved about its beauty>
2 : to move or advance violently : STORM <the iced gusts still rave and beat -- John Keats>
transitive senses : to utter in madness or frenzy
- rav·er noun

*smug look* Aah, speculation. I feel like this is an E interview.

1a for me. Ravers are crazy, you know.

I'm probably completely wrong, but it seems odd for Anele to refer to the Lurker 'giving answer' to the trees' destruction, then not say how it did give answer; to change to the subject of Ravers instead.

Is this “malice” the Lurker? The Lurker lives in the Sarangrave, which not the same place as Lifeswallower (though they are next to one another).