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The Loch Ness Monster

Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 12:32 pm
by Warmark
Does anyone believe in this?

www.nessie.co.uk/

www.loch-ness.org/

Heres a couple of site with information about it, for anyone who doesnt know what im talking about!

members.fortunecity.co.uk/crypto1/

This one seems to have been made by a rather excitable person!

So anyone think they know what, if anything lives in the Loch?

Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 12:40 pm
by Loredoctor
No. I do not believe in it.

Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 1:23 pm
by aTOMiC
Though it would be endlessly entertaining if there were some concrete evidence of a Loch Ness monster I have never seen anything that would lead me to believe it actually exists. But people need hobbies so let 'em have their fun.

Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 5:00 pm
by Edge
My question would be: how could anyone possibly not believe in Nessie, given all the independent eyewitness accounts, not to mention photographic evidence?

Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 1:11 am
by Loredoctor
1. Most of the images have been proven to be false.
2. Half the witnesses are historical - and therefore problematic.

Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 7:40 am
by Alynna Lis Eachann
Speaking from a biological standpoint, the likelyhood of something that big surviving for that long with so little concrete evidence to prove its existence is low. Just to keep a breeding population, you'd need a minimum of four pair, and with my limited genetics knowledge, that's probably a very conservative estimate for sustaining a viable population. Hard to miss eight giant lizards floating around, wouldn't it be, let alone more?

Even if they live for a long time and are "living dead" (the last members of a non-viable population), I still find it hard to believe that these things haven't left a single substantial trace of their existence somewhere, at some point. If people have found any number of small, bizzare fish a mile under the ocean, you'd think they'd have found a giant lizard in a loch, regardless of the water's depth.

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 11:22 am
by ur-bane
While I certainly do not believe Nessie is swimming around in Loch Ness, I still find it fascinating that this story still persists, and even makes occasional headlines.

But just think of all the money this has generated...Nessie T-shirts, stuffed animals, jewelry, slippers, lunchboxes, coffee mugs, shot glasses, etc., etc., etc.

Another prime example of myth making money. I need to invent a semi-believable myth......Hmmm......

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 12:43 pm
by Loredoctor
Alynna Lis Eachann wrote:Speaking from a biological standpoint, the likelyhood of something that big surviving for that long with so little concrete evidence to prove its existence is low. Just to keep a breeding population, you'd need a minimum of four pair, and with my limited genetics knowledge, that's probably a very conservative estimate for sustaining a viable population. Hard to miss eight giant lizards floating around, wouldn't it be, let alone more?

Even if they live for a long time and are "living dead" (the last members of a non-viable population), I still find it hard to believe that these things haven't left a single substantial trace of their existence somewhere, at some point. If people have found any number of small, bizzare fish a mile under the ocean, you'd think they'd have found a giant lizard in a loch, regardless of the water's depth.
GREAT POST!

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 12:58 pm
by ur-bane
It truly is a great post, Alynna.

That kind of thinking makes me wonder why researchers waste their time and money searching the depths.
As far as I know too, there is no food source is Loch Ness to support a creature of Nessie's reported size, let alone 8 of them!

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 8:24 pm
by jelerak
I think the most believable evidence that Nessie does not exist is when they organized the effort of a straight line of a multitude of boats and vessels that were equipped with sonar equipment. They methodically worked their way from one side of the Loch to the other, remaining in a straight line, looking for sonar evidence of a large creature or body of some type in the sonar signatures. The image of this in the video was quite impressive.

If there would have been a large creature or something in the Loch, it would have been caught by someone's sonar equipment as they covered the whole Loch from one side to the other with the snare of equipment and boats / vessels.

Nah...if there was ever anything there, we would have found it by now.

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 9:19 pm
by Edinburghemma
I am a keen believer in our native monster. Mock at your peril!

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 9:39 pm
by CovenantJr
Don't cross a Scot!

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 11:07 pm
by Warmark
Edinburghemma from Afar wrote:I am a keen believer in our native monster. Mock at your peril!
Yay! A Believer! :lol:

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 12:02 am
by Loredoctor
I don't.

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 9:55 am
by Warmark
:lol: I know, spoilsport! :P

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 11:38 am
by ur-bane
Well, I guess if you need to believe in Nessie, more power to you. ;)

Myself, I find it very difficult, if not impossible, to believe in an idea with no physical evidence whatsoever.

If someone goes to Loch Ness wanting to see Nessie, and a log floats by that fits their mental image of Nessie, then they saw Nessie. That's all.

One of the things that really amazes me is that with the imaging technology we have today, NOT ONE SINGLE picture of Nessie--or any supposed "Alien craft" for that matter--shows any kind of definitive detail whatsoever. The images are all blurry silhouettes. And yet, like the log floating by, people will see what they want to see.

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 2:40 pm
by ChoChiyo
There was once a documentary on Nessie. Their main theories were that there is some odd kind of current in the lake that creates a disturbance on the surface occasionally that looks like the wake of a large beast OR that it is some kind of really big fish--like the muskies we have in Minnesota. They are very snake like in appearance and can grow to be ENORMOUS. They will rise to the surface to eat ducks and even (according to local legend) small dogs swimming. Two summers ago, one bit the toe off a small child swimming in a lake in northern Minnesota.

Here's an article about a 51 inch long Muskie with a 29" girth. There are pictures. The fish is almost as big as the man who caught it!

Sturgeons are also MONSTERS. They can grow up to 9 feet long and weigh over 300 pounds.

Something like that, seen at dusk or in a quick flash, could be mistaken for some sort of monster.

They injured a bunch of people in Florida a couple of years ago by leaping out of the water and plowing into them!

www.southeasternfish.org/Documents/Leap ... rgeons.htm

Image

Image

They are monsters.

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 5:04 pm
by ur-bane
ChoChiyo wrote:Something like that, seen at dusk or in a quick flash, could be mistaken for some sort of monster.
Just like a shadow moving across a child's wall is the boogeyman coming out from under the bed.

Even if it were some extremely large fish that somehow managed to survive in a lake with hardly the food supply for a creature that size, wouldn't you think that someone would still see it clearly? Wouldn't the sonar imaging studies have shown something large enough to be Nessie swimming in the water?

I also saw a documentary on the Loch. Nessie does not live, except in some highly imaginitive minds.

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 7:46 pm
by Edge
Image

Most distinctive 'floating log' I've ever seen...

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 8:37 pm
by jelerak
Edge -

Cool pic...where did ya find it at?