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Does Covenant confess?

Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 7:44 pm
by Conker
I just bought Runes, and decided to re-read the previous two trilogies in order to be 'prepared' - it's been years since I last read them. I'm halfway through LFB, and it's a different experience now that I'm older.

I was trying to recall (and I'm too impatient to wait until I've read the entire first trilogy again :P) does Covenant ever tell Mhoram or Foamfollower what he did to Lena? When I first read it, I was around 12, so the fact that he raped her was something I kind of glossed over; I knew it was bad, but I'd never encountered it in my life, so it was really little more than a word to me. Now, though, I'm interested in knowing if the two people who stood by Covenant the most continued to do so in the knowledge that he raped Lena, or whether they remained ignorant of this throughout the series.

Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 8:54 pm
by dlbpharmd
Welcome to the Watch, Conker!

My advice is be patient - I believe that the answer you're looking for will come up in LFB shortly.

Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 11:49 pm
by Conker
Fair enough. And thanks for the welcome :)

Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 10:33 pm
by Conker
Hmm. I finished LFB again, and the answer didn't come up. The only intimation that either Mhoram or Foamfollower might know is the following passage:-


"Giant, I - I need friends."
"Why do you believe you have none?"
Covenant blinked, and saw everything that he had done in the Land. "Don't be ridiculous."
"Then you do believe that you are real."
"What?" Covenant groped for the Giant's meaning with hands that had no fingers.
"You think us capable of not forgiving you," Foamfollower explained. "Who would forgive you more readily than your dream?"
"No," the Unbeliever said. "Dreams - never forgive."
Then he lost the firelight and Foamfollower's kind face, and stumbled into sleep.


And Covenant himself never told them within the book - unless I've skipped a page unknowingly. So I'm kinda confused now. Can anyone help?

Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 11:22 pm
by CovenantJr
The Lords all find out sooner or later, because it comes out when they do that mind-melding thing with Elena. But we don't see it happen.

Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 11:32 pm
by Conker
Aha. They do find out then. Okay. Thanks, it had completely slipped my mind.

Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 1:04 am
by dlbpharmd
I had to go back and re-read Covenant's encouter with the Ranyhyn at Manhome. I was thinking that Covenant revealed his crime against Lena there, but he did not. Sorry, conker, that's what I was thinking about.

Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 8:32 pm
by caamora
TC tells Troy in TIW that he raped Lena and the Lords already seem to know about it.

Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 3:45 am
by ur-Vile Lore Master
Yes. I beleive all the Lords were told by one of the other Lords (I assumed that Mhoram) and they were in their own reasoning when they took no action to the knowledge. Probobly becuase he was the white gold wielder and all that noise. But when Hile Troy heard about it, he was pissed, but he couldn't talk to Covenant before the battle that cost him a few thousand years.

But the original act was never spoken of directly. It was always in a round about way of reminding everyone about what happened in the first book.
Even in the next series, long after all the people he knew were dead, Covenant still wouldn't shut up about it. That began to get a little agravating from time to time.

Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 9:51 am
by CovenantJr
ur-Vile Lore Master wrote:I beleive all the Lords were told by one of the other Lords (I assumed that Mhoram)
CovenantJr wrote:The Lords all find out sooner or later, because it comes out when they do that mind-melding thing with Elena.