Kevin's Watch

Onos T'oolan wrote:Before DoD.

iknowiknowiknow you should never quote a t'lan imass

Just so I'm straight on this, Toll The Hounds then Stonewielder then Dust of Dreams?

Stonemaybe wrote:

Onos T'oolan wrote:Before DoD.

iknowiknowiknow you should never quote a t'lan imass

Just so I'm straight on this, Toll The Hounds then Stonewielder then Dust of Dreams?

Technically, I think Stonewielder has traditionally been placed chronologically between Dust of Dreams and the Crippled God. Should you read it like that? I write unto thee, NAY! It's better the way everyone is suggesting it.

I don't think it matters too much.

[Syl] wrote:Skimming House of Chains? Craziness.

Considering I've read it 5 or 6 times already...

--A

it's only one letter, but a -> h is my acknowledgement of 3.5m enjoyable words (though still only a tenth into tCG)

This thread will do...

It's always amusing reading the first book of an epic, when you can see that the author hadn't decided yet on things that later get revealed.

Re-reading GotM, and Caladan Brood keeps getting referred to as "half-human" even though we know from the Kharkanas books that he's actually

Spoiler

Azathani

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--A

oh hilare! creator and I were just talking about Caladan Brood last night! he has named all his (many many) toons in WoW after Malazan characters and he was showing me all their transmog outfits last night (his female characters are all dress VERY skimpily!! lol!!! no surprise there, we call those outfits "slut mogs"!! lol!!) and I was looking at his death knight toon (anomandaris) saying it looked more like caladan brood and he said no, he'd need to make caladan brood a different race, like troll or orc, a race with tusks because Brood is a jhaghut...and I thought to myself...is he? a jhag? but you're right Av...he's not jhag...heh.

No, no he's not. (Although he is sometimes described as "bestial" to be fair.)

Nearly done with GoTM. I often forget how much stuff actually gets set up in this book. And the whole Darujhistan storyline in it really is good.

--A

Avatar wrote: No, no he's not. (Although he is sometimes described as "bestial" to be fair.)

Nearly done with GoTM. I often forget how much stuff actually gets set up in this book. And the whole Darujhistan storyline in it really is good.

--A

re setup: RIGHT?!!
and i think i said before somewhere, i hadn't read Deadhouse Gates but once in all the years i've been reading Malazan. the others i'd read numerous times over the years but DG had just gutted me for some reason. i'd kept thinking of it as too "brutal" to re-read, so i hadn't. until a few months back when i did a re-read of the entire series via Audible. i've become addicted to being read to! lol. anyways, i decided to listen to DG this time through and i was sooooo friggin amazed at how much INFORMATION is in DG and all the stuff that happens in that book!!

DHG is my favourite. Partly because it's so brutal maybe.

Just started it again. (For what, according to the Gen Fantasy forum, is the 7th time.)

--A

Well, enjoying DHG as always.

Always amuses me how the time jumping comes back to bite the author...here we learn Sha'ik's Toblakai bodyguard (Karsa, although we don't know that yet) is supposed to be 17 years old.

In HoC we learn his people aren't even considered adult until they're like 50 or something.

Felisin is always tragic of course, and Heboric...learned something interesting about him in Kellanved's Reach, sadly they must have only thought of it then, since we never see it manifested in the rest of the books.

--A

Nearly finished MoI, and spotted something that always catches me...

As we know, Whiskeyjack used to command an army, and a lot of the current lowly characters were once much higher ranked...

Dujek and Whiskeyjack are talking, and Dujeck says something about "that's why Laseen inverted the command structure...so the right people would be on the ground when Kellanved made his move."

He also says something like "the first hint that Kellanved wasn't as dead as we might have hoped..."

Schemes within schemes within schemes...

--A

I wanted to go back and listen to the series again but the expanse hooked me and i'm listening to it again instead. I hate the guy that reads the Malazan books.



ok...well I guess I don't actually hate him since I don't actually know him but I don't like his reading. ugh. anyway...
soldier on Av, I like your little "catches".

Haha, well, a big one for me is at the end of MoI, in K'ruls Bar, when in the book's last lines, Duiker finally speaks to tell the tale of the Chain of Dogs, of Coltaine of the Crow Clan, newly come Fist to the Malazan 7th Army...

(It also makes me wonder why DHG was book 2 and MOI book 3...MOI as book 2 could have ended like that, and led into DHG...)

(Also, we know from Kellanved's Reach that the 7th army was actually the first...Cartheron Crust just wanted to call it the 7th. )

Anyway, started HoC, which we know from the prologue and Trull Sengar's shorning, is happening somewhere in the late middle of Midnight Tides. (Which was referenced in book 3 when Paran finds the real throne of Shadow is is begged for help against the Edur Emperor, the "bringer of midnight tides...")

--A

Ah, found it in HoC...When Karsa leaves his village, he's just turned 80...finally a full warrior.

(Also, in DHG the "children" he's killed are taken pretty literally, but actually he doesn't kill children, just non-Toblakai who he calls children.)

--A

Avatar wrote:Ah, found it in HoC...When Karsa leaves his village, he's just turned 80...finally a full warrior.

(Also, in DHG the "children" he's killed are taken pretty literally, but actually he doesn't kill children, just non-Toblakai who he calls children.)

--A

yeah it's kind of amazing how many readers really hate karsa because he kills children!!!! hilarious to me because that thought never occurred to me. I knew what he meant the first time he said it.

I only figured it out after he met the raiding party in HoC. In DHG there was no reason to assume it was meant other than literally, especially with Heboric rabbiting on about it.

Just passed the part of HoC where Nok is giving Tavore a thumbnail history of the old Emperor's rise, and it just shows how continuity is the bug-bear of huge series.

His version differs in the details to what we've just learned in the "Path to Ascendancy" books. Not too significantly, but at least in terms of chronology (which bits happened when) and allegiances.

(What really gets me about these books is their ability to keep drawing me in, even on this my 6th (I think) re-read. I know all the reveals, all the plot-twists, all the characters, but I still get caught up in the story again (and given its size, inevitably notice new details).)

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Re bugbears: Is this a consistency issue, or realism? People learn different histories for the same periods. Also, there's the unreliable narrator mechanic.

Yeah, that's pretty much how I justify it to myself usually, but this one was a bit more out...still possibly within the bounds of his perspective though I guess.

Just hit another one where Strings (Fiddler) reminisces about Braven Tooth giving Whiskeyjack his name, but he's given it by either Catheron or Dujek (can't recall) in Kellanved's Reach.

(Having 2 authors must compound the problem. )


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Avatar wrote:I only figured it out after he met the raiding party in HoC. In DHG there was no reason to assume it was meant other than literally, especially with Heboric rabbiting on about it.

Just picked up in HoC that Heboric wasn't wrong. But the ("recently birthed") children he saw were not killed by Karsa, they were the progeny never to be born of those he did kill.

--A