Kevin's Watch

Given a mutagen like the one Sorus, Cirro, and Ward got?

Would you sell out yourself like Sorus...or try your best to save whats left of yourself like Warden?

It seemed like Cirro tried to do both, and that's why he went nuts.

I didn't like Sorus, the fact that she was given a mutagen was no excuse for all the trouble she caused.

Sorus did what she had to do to save her ship and her crew.

In the end, her actions were not so very different from Warden or Ciro's.

She was a very different person at that point than she was in the beginning of the series, and as the Amnion forced her to worse and worse extremes, destroying the Lab and ordering her to destroy Trumpet by threatening her entire crew with mutagens, and then telling her she was expendable, was what finally drove her to take actions that she had probably been planning for years.

I agree with Drew. I don't think Sorus was acting on any noble impulses. I beleive at the time it was all selfish. 'Save myself, and my crew so I don't have to go looking for a new one'-kinda thing. Agreed that she becomes a little different, in so far as she seems to get tired of the life she leads under the Amnion. But she is essentially selfish and does not act on any noble causes like Morn or Warden.

I would like to think that I could be like Warden, given those circumstances, but <shrug> I guess I will never know....
(whew)

She saw an opportunity for redemption - destroying Calm Horizons in human space.

"All we have to do is help that cruiser beat her. It doesn't
matter how many charges the cops are holding against
us. If we help them beat an Amnion defensive in human
space, we're heroes. At the very least they'll let us
salvage anything we need."

I'm not saying her impulses were noble. I don't think she had any desire to be a hero.
I don't even think she cared much about humanity at that point, but they were the
lesser of two evils.

I do think she cared about her crew, more than simply trying to avoid the trouble of
having to find a new one.

They had been together for a long time, been through hell ten times over, and I always
got the impression that they were very loyal.

I got the impresson she mostly picked her crew at random, sililarly to Angus--she was all alone with Nick when she scared him.
She was pretty tight with the Bill on Billingate, not flying around anywhere.
sorry, lots of people didn't like Linden, I didn't like Sorus..I don't like it when Bad Guys are made to be heros.

sacrificing her ship to save trumpet was one noble thing she did..does that make up up for the other stuff--remember what she did to Pup?

That is the age-old question of the series.

Did anyone's punishment/redemption/demise pay for their crimes?

No, I didn't like what she did to Pup. But I think that forcing him to endure her own personal nightmare, and then the destruction of the Lab were what finally drove her to do the right thing.

Was it too late? Was too much damage done?

I don't think anything could 'make up' for the destruction she caused.

But in the end, she did the right thing.

As for heroes and bad guys, I think almost every character in the series was a little of both.






EDIT: Why do I only notice typos after someone quotes me?

Well I agree with you there.
AS I've said before, I think Angus got off way too easy--had to eat a few nics, and a mouthfull or two of poop..doesn't really redemptify all the hurt he caused.

Don't get me wrong, Sorus had her good points...shooting Nick was deffinatly at the top of the list..too bad just got him with just one shot though.

drew wrote:Don't get me wrong, Sorus had her good points...shooting Nick was deffinatly at the top of the list..too bad just got him with just one shot though.

He got exactly the death he deserved. More than that might have somehow justified his obsession. He was futile, and died a futile death.

As SRD himself said:

From Nick's perspective, he got exactly "the worst death he could have had." From my perspective, he got exactly the death he brought on himself. Considering the relentless pettiness of his desire for revenge, any less futile death would have violated the terms on which he lived.

What he said.

I again agree with Drew and all that is sadi about Nick.
It makes my chuckle in a sad-morose way to think of how much pain and suffering he put others through, and how much mental anguish and physical energy he put himslef through all for a vengeance against Sorus, and she blows him away.
.... oh, that's so sad...

Most people would be like Sorus... or infact Ciro... Ciro broke, plain and simple. Sorus was made of stronger stuff than Ciro, and that's why she was sane. If we wouldn't brake, we would probably go Sorus' way... the idea that we would change to Amnion might not seem scary just reading about it, but actually picture yourself in that situation... no, very few people would have the courage to stand up to that Warden had when given the mutagen.

With a fair amount of certainty I would have told someone and asked them to put a bullet in my head. A) I would not want to be mutated, and B) I would not want to betray anyone I cared about.
C) would be that I'm not sure I could commit suicide. That is why I would ask someone with a weapon and a good shot, to end my life for me...

(black topic, aint it?...)

Usivius wrote:I again agree with Drew and all that is sadi about Nick.
It makes my chuckle in a sad-morose way to think of how much pain and suffering he put others through, and how much mental anguish and physical energy he put himslef through all for a vengeance against Sorus, and she blows him away.
.... oh, that's so sad...

Oh, but you've got to love the sheer torture of the way SRD dragged it out!

After going EVA in an asteroid swarm, surviving a black hole, and attacking a heavily armed spaceship with a rifle, he somehow makes it onto the bridge - where he stops to give a speech.

I almost fell off my chair the first time I read that.

Just from the sheer shock.

Had to have been one of the greatest scenes in sci-fi history.

I think he mostly got the death he deserved..she just should have shot him in the stomach or something, so he had to sit there and blled to death over the next hour or two, watching all that ws going on, knowing that she bested him again.

She put him out of his misery. Nothing would have been accomplished by torturing him.

She had the Amnion to deal with, and he was basically in the way.

drew wrote:I think he mostly got the death he deserved..she just should have shot him in the stomach or something, so he had to sit there and blled to death over the next hour or two, watching all that ws going on, knowing that she bested him again.

I can tell you are a lovely person with a sweet disposition.

Sorus wrote:That is the age-old question of the series.

Did anyone's punishment/redemption/demise pay for their crimes?

No, I didn't like what she did to Pup. But I think that forcing him to endure her own personal nightmare, and then the destruction of the Lab were what finally drove her to do the right thing.

Was it too late? Was too many damage done?

I don't think anything could 'make up' for the destruction she caused.

But in the end, she did the right thing.

As for heroes and bad guys, I think almost every character in the series was a little of both.

i agree with Sorus' post one hundred percent. and i am glad that Sorus Chatelaine took the opportunity for redemption. i think the things she did for the Amnion took a toll on her soul, as they would most human beings. i think the futility of her postition caused her to find a redemptive answer for her and her crew. i don't think she ever LIKED working for the Amnion and being under their control, who would. and i'm certain, like Angus, circumstances in her life shaped the person she was. in the end, she chose to "over-ride" the "programming" of her life experience and find what Morn called "a better answer."

You know what would have been really creepy?

If the Amnion were just good bluffers.
-Like all they gave Sorus was just a placebo or something.
(shudder)

Lucimay wrote:in the end, she chose to "over-ride" the "programming" of her life experience and find what Morn called "a better answer."

Great observation!