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Take us to Warp Speed 5, Please...

Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 12:36 pm
by Rincewind
news.scotsman.com/scitech.cfm?id=16902006

Welcome to Mars express: only a three hour trip
IAN JOHNSTON SCIENCE CORRESPONDENT

AN EXTRAORDINARY "hyperspace" engine that could make interstellar space travel a reality by flying into other dimensions is being investigated by the United States government.

The hypothetical device, which has been outlined in principle but is based on a controversial theory about the fabric of the universe, could potentially allow a spacecraft to travel to Mars in three hours and journey to a star 11 light years away in just 80 days, according to a report in today's New Scientist magazine.

The theoretical engine works by creating an intense magnetic field that, according to ideas first developed by the late scientist Burkhard Heim in the 1950s, would produce a gravitational field and result in thrust for a spacecraft.

Also, if a large enough magnetic field was created, the craft would slip into a different dimension, where the speed of light is faster, allowing incredible speeds to be reached. Switching off the magnetic field would result in the engine reappearing in our current dimension.

The US air force has expressed an interest in the idea and scientists working for the American Department of Energy - which has a device known as the Z Machine that could generate the kind of magnetic fields required to drive the engine - say they may carry out a test if the theory withstands further scrutiny.

Professor Jochem Hauser, one of the scientists who put forward the idea, told The Scotsman that if everything went well a working engine could be tested in about five years.

However, Prof Hauser, a physicist at the Applied Sciences University in Salzgitter, Germany, and a former chief of aerodynamics at the European Space Agency, cautioned it was based on a highly controversial theory that would require a significant change in the current understanding of the laws of physics.

"It would be amazing. I have been working on propulsion systems for quite a while and it would be the most amazing thing. The benefits would be almost unlimited," he said.

"But this thing is not around the corner; we first have to prove the basic science is correct and there are quite a few physicists who have a different opinion.

"It's our job to prove we are right and we are working on that."

He said the engine would enable spaceships to travel to different solar systems. "If the theory is correct then this is not science fiction, it is science fact," Prof Hauser said.

"NASA have contacted me and next week I'm going to see someone from the [US] air force to talk about it further, but it is at a very early stage. I think the best-case scenario would be within the next five years [to build a test device] if the technology works."

The US authorities' attention was attracted after Prof Hauser and an Austrian colleague, Walter Droscher, wrote a paper called "Guidelines for a space propulsion device based on Heim's quantum theory".

Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 12:39 pm
by Avatar
Very interesting. Of course, I think his "best-case" scenario is pretty damn optimistic, and that's not even counting the likelihood of actually creating a large enough magnetic field to allow you to "slip" into another dimension. :lol: I pity the test pilot myself. ;)

--A

Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 5:00 am
by sgt.null
where would you even test such a thing? and could people survive such a trip?

Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 5:20 am
by lucimay
8O Gap Drive.


(sh*t, i'll go)

Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 6:05 am
by sgt.null
maybe a Scotsman could show them?

Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 11:14 am
by Prebe
We would need some of those rebuilding tubs they have in Hyperion. As the travelers would inevitably be turned to broth by the acceleration :D

Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 11:19 am
by Loredoctor
Prebe wrote:We would need some of those rebuilding tubs they have in Hyperion. As the travelers would inevitably be turned to broth by the acceleration :D
I don't think I'd want the cruciform parasite!

Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 11:23 am
by Prebe
Loremaster wrote:I don't think I'd want the cruciform parasite!
Oh yeah! That's right. Forgot about that. That was a nasty little bugger wasn't it? Mental note to self: Must re-read Hyperion!

Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 11:27 am
by Loredoctor
Hyperion - great GREAT sci-fi.

Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 12:17 pm
by Prebe
LM wrote:Hyperion - great GREAT sci-fi.
I can only second that. IMO SRD seems to have learned something from him when writing the Gap series.

Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 12:55 pm
by Loredoctor
Possibly :) I think SRD borrowed some ideas from Downbelow Station (especially for Norna Fasner).

Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 10:40 pm
by [Syl]
Donaldson would be appalled at that, Loremaster. I'm sure he'd insist that he stole it.

Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 10:45 pm
by Marv
i will go. tho...i do not know the way.

Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 11:25 pm
by Loredoctor
Syl wrote:Donaldson would be appalled at that, Loremaster. I'm sure he'd insist that he stole it.
LOL

Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 2:47 am
by Menolly
I sent the article to Paul, and have his permission to post his thoughts back on the subject.
Paul wrote:Although I am far from qualified to comment on the technical details here, the basic understanding that I can garner from a quick internet search is that this is a system of propulsion based on a theory of space and information that is FAR outside the mainstream, and is not well thought of by most scientists. That said, it makes some specific predictions and resolves a large number of anomalies, two criteria for a useful scientific theory. I personally have my doubts that anything on the basis of this theory is translatable into a functional engine, as it would require energy outputs not achievable with an intact solid object. Whether it could be used to send faster than light signals or whether the revisions these theories imply would open up new ways of considering the universe besides the physical is more of an open question. I would refer anyone asking about it to the original articles, and to the various keyword searches they might inspire.

The consensus is: no engine before I die.

Paul

Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 5:24 am
by lucimay
Tazzman wrote:i will go. tho...i do not know the way.

looks like it's just you and me that said we'd go Tazz!!!

we few, we happy few! :twisted: